[Libs-Or] pbooks
Gretta Siegel
siegelg at pdx.edu
Wed Jan 19 12:16:03 PST 2011
so - just because someone invented a new word, are we obligated to use it? I
mean, can't we still call them books?
-Gretta
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Subject: [Libs-Or] pbooks
>I recommend we ask someone at Harvard. I hear they have had issues with
>pbooks.
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>> 1. Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
>> (hleman at samhealth.org)
>> 2. Pronounce "pbook". (Jim Knutson)
>> 3. Re: Pronounce "pbook". (hleman at samhealth.org)
>> 4. Re: Pronounce "pbook". (Jim Knutson)
>> 5. Re: Pronounce "pbook". (Mark Kille)
>> 6. New Year's Resolution (Pierina Parise)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:03:16 -0800
>> From:<hleman at samhealth.org>
>> To:<libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
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>> Hi, all. I would just like to draw your attention to a fascinating report
>> co-authored by Paul Courant and Oregon's own Matthew "Buzzy" Nielsen of
>> the North Bend Public Library in the volume, "The Idea of Order:
>> Transforming Research Collections for 21st Century Scholarship." The
>> article in question is entitled, "On the Cost of Keeping a Book." The PDF
>> of the entire volume can be downloaded for free here:
>>
>> https://www.clir.org/pubs/abstract/pub147abst.html
>>
>> The report is a must-read review and primer on what exactly is entailed
>> vis-a-vis cost of storage, labor, time, etc. in maintaining print
>> collections. I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting,
>> "...print books (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important
>> to distinguish them from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>>
>> Thank you, Buzzy, for setting such a sterling example of edifying,
>> impressively documented, timely scholarship. Recommended reading for
>> anyone who needs data on the actual costs incurred in library operations
>> and would like to gain a grasp of the whole e-book versus print debate.
>>
>> Hope Leman, MLIS
>> Research Information Technologist
>> Center for Health Research and Quality
>> Samaritan Health Services
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>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:00:47 -0800
>> From: "Jim Knutson"<tintin at exchangenet.net>
>> To:<hleman at samhealth.org>, <libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>> Subject: [Libs-Or] Pronounce "pbook".
>> Message-ID:<06cc01cbb7e1$45da4c50$210aa8c0 at bobo8943bf3b68>
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>> Wouldn't ya know the invented new word would be unpronounceable. Strictly
>> a print word, not a spoken word.
>>
>> Gonna have to change it if it's something we're going to ask patrons.
>> "Are you looking for that as pbook or an e-book?"
>>
>> Unless we just start submitting notes to them. But they still say, "What
>> is a pbook? It says right here 'Are you looking for a pbook?' What is a
>> pbook?" (Reminds me of the "gub" gag in Woody Allen's Take the Money and
>> Run. Arguing with Allen as bank robber who's submitted the teller a note,
>> the teller and others are telling him, "No, it says right here, 'I have a
>> gub.' What is a gub?"
>>
>> A pbook? Or is it a silent "p", as in pneumonia? What's the rule on "p
>> before b"?
>>
>> RE:
>>
>> From: hleman at samhealth.org
>> To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 AM
>> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print
>> books (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important to
>> distinguish them from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Hope Leman, MLIS
>> Research Information Technologist
>> Center for Health Research and Quality
>> Samaritan Health Services
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>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:20:08 -0800
>> From:<hleman at samhealth.org>
>> To:<tintin at exchangenet.net>
>> Cc: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] Pronounce "pbook".
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>> Hi, Jim. Good question--I would go with "pee-book" or "fook." Neither
>> sounds ideal!
>>
>> Hope
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Jim Knutson [tintin at exchangenet.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:00 AM
>> To: Hope Leman; libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> Subject: Pronounce "pbook".
>>
>> Wouldn't ya know the invented new word would be unpronounceable. Strictly
>> a print word, not a spoken word.
>>
>> Gonna have to change it if it's something we're going to ask patrons.
>> "Are you looking for that as pbook or an e-book?"
>>
>> Unless we just start submitting notes to them. But they still say, "What
>> is a pbook? It says right here 'Are you looking for a pbook?' What is a
>> pbook?" (Reminds me of the "gub" gag in Woody Allen's Take the Money and
>> Run. Arguing with Allen as bank robber who's submitted the teller a note,
>> the teller and others are telling him, "No, it says right here, 'I have a
>> gub.' What is a gub?"
>>
>> A pbook? Or is it a silent "p", as in pneumonia? What's the rule on "p
>> before b"?
>>
>> RE:
>>
>> From: hleman at samhealth.org<mailto:hleman at samhealth.org>
>> To:
>> libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us<mailto:libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 AM
>> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print books
>> (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important to distinguish them
>> from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Hope Leman, MLIS
>> Research Information Technologist
>> Center for Health Research and Quality
>> Samaritan Health Services
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:23:19 -0800
>> From: "Jim Knutson"<tintin at exchangenet.net>
>> To:<hleman at samhealth.org>
>> Cc: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] Pronounce "pbook".
>> Message-ID:<06df01cbb7e4$6bc37830$210aa8c0 at bobo8943bf3b68>
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>> brought a grin:
>>
>> From: hleman at samhealth.org
>> To: tintin at exchangenet.net
>> Cc: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:20 AM
>> Subject: RE: Pronounce "pbook".
>>
>>
>> Hi, Jim. Good question--I would go with "pee-book" or "fook." Neither
>> sounds ideal!
>>
>> Hope
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Jim Knutson [tintin at exchangenet.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:00 AM
>> To: Hope Leman; libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> Subject: Pronounce "pbook".
>>
>> Wouldn't ya know the invented new word would be unpronounceable.
>> Strictly a print word, not a spoken word.
>>
>> Gonna have to change it if it's something we're going to ask patrons.
>> "Are you looking for that as pbook or an e-book?"
>>
>> Unless we just start submitting notes to them. But they still say,
>> "What is a pbook? It says right here 'Are you looking for a pbook?' What
>> is a pbook?" (Reminds me of the "gub" gag in Woody Allen's Take the Money
>> and Run. Arguing with Allen as bank robber who's submitted the teller a
>> note, the teller and others are telling him, "No, it says right here, 'I
>> have a gub.' What is a gub?"
>>
>> A pbook? Or is it a silent "p", as in pneumonia? What's the rule on "p
>> before b"?
>>
>> RE:
>>
>> From: hleman at samhealth.org<mailto:hleman at samhealth.org>
>> To:
>> libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us<mailto:libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 AM
>> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print
>> books (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important to
>> distinguish them from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Hope Leman, MLIS
>> Research Information Technologist
>> Center for Health Research and Quality
>> Samaritan Health Services
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>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:40:15 -0700
>> From: Mark Kille<markakille at gmail.com>
>> To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] Pronounce "pbook".
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>> Okay, bringing back my undergraduate linguistics days...which were a
>> while ago, and the ten minutes of international phonetic alphabet
>> review I just did isn't really so much, so bear with me. :)
>>
>> Going by typical English spelling usage, it would probably be
>> "pee-book," like "gee-mail." (I can already hear the kids giggling.)
>> If we take it as a word actually to be pronounced as spelled, a native
>> English speaker would probably come out with something like
>> "puh-BOOK."
>>
>> Phonologically, technically /p/ is a bilabial voiceless consonant and
>> /b/ is a bilabial voiced consonant. It is possible for consonants to
>> have two simultaneous points of articulation, as in the single sound
>> "gb" found in several West African languages. But p and b have the
>> same point of articulation--both lips--and I can't find any reference
>> to a consonant being simultaneously voiced and voiceless. In practice
>> "pbook" would probably resolve as either "pook" or "book,"
>> phonologically.
>>
>> I vote for "pb" being the bilabial percussive, otherwise known as the
>> sound of lips smacking. "Pbook" would then sound like "[smack]-ook."
>> Fun to say 10 times fast!
>>
>> Mark Kille
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Jim Knutson<tintin at exchangenet.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Wouldn't ya know the invented new word would be unpronounceable.
>>> Strictly a
>>> print word, not a spoken word.
>>>
>>> Gonna have to change it if it's something we're going to?ask patrons.
>>> "Are
>>> you looking for that as pbook or an e-book?"
>>>
>>> Unless we just start submitting notes to them. But they still say, "What
>>> is
>>> a pbook? It says right here 'Are you looking for a pbook?' What is a
>>> pbook?"
>>> (Reminds me of the "gub" gag in Woody Allen's Take the Money and Run.
>>> Arguing with Allen as bank robber who's submitted the teller a note, the
>>> teller and others are telling him,?"No, it says right here, 'I have a
>>> gub.'
>>> What is a gub?"
>>>
>>> A pbook? Or is it a silent "p", as in pneumonia? What's the rule on "p
>>> before b"?
>>>
>>> RE:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: hleman at samhealth.org
>>> To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 AM
>>> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print books
>>> (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important to distinguish
>>> them
>>> from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> Hope Leman, MLIS
>>> Research Information Technologist
>>> Center for Health Research and Quality
>>> Samaritan Health Services
>>>
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