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<div style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">We need to get Jim off this listserv. His comments are unhelpful and he fails to respect the needs and purposes of this forum.
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<span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">From:
</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Jim</span><br>
<span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">Sent:
</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">10/16/2012 11:33 PM</span><br>
<span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">To:
</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Rachel Smith; gis_info@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</span><br>
<span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">Subject:
</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Re: [gis_info] Expectations of the Government GIS Community</span><br>
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<p>See below on a citizen d submission that was not posted.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
<div class="x_gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2012 9:48 AM, "Jim" <<a href="mailto:mrnewdaddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">mrnewdaddy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p>The thing is that, this has been happening for 10 years. We have committees, meetings, task forces. We have policy makers pushing frame works and standards. We have confrences where attendees are constantly asking where GIS is going. We have software
makers leading this pack of sheep! And biggest of all there is no enforcement. Folks should be mad as hell at all of the waste. Over and over both in groups as well as individual agencies this stuff gets hashed out time and time again with massive waste
streams happening concurrently. Even a better picture is how each agency has has the ability to charge what they think is appropriate which is greatly different from one agency to the next and often times not in the correct coordinate system for Oregon.
So they charge me, the citizen twice, for a service that I already pay for and then it's not interoperable. That's like buying a TV with only half of the channels working. Furious and you should be too...<br>
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<div class="x_gmail_quote">On Oct 15, 2012 8:37 AM, "Rachel Smith" <<a href="mailto:rachel.smith@dogami.state.or.us" target="_blank">rachel.smith@dogami.state.or.us</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jim,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Lucky for GIS practitioners, engineers aren't the only group of individuals we support. I don't think I need to explain how and why GIS is needed, and all of the individuals
or groups that need and use GIS and the data we create. But if so, then I'm sure there will be plenty of people who are on this list to add to that discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Your points are good ones and they are exactly what many of us discuss on a regular basis. Distribution and sharing of data, duplication of data creation, authoritative
sets of data, etc... are all issues that we're trying to work out and are indeed a struggle for all of the agencies. But even though we haven't found a solution to these issues, that does not mean that we have no professional ethics. There are no easy solutions
otherwise we would have implemented them by now. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I certainly don't have all of the answers, but I can tell you that we're well aware of these problems and are continually working to find better avenues/platforms/portals
for distributing and sharing data, and working to increase the awareness of GIS related activities that are happening across the agencies to prevent duplication of effort.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rachel<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rachel Lyles Smith, GISP<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Project Operations Manager<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Oregon Department of Geology & Mineral Industries<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">800 NE Oregon St. #28, Suite 965<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Portland, OR 97232<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="tel:971-673-0481" value="+19716730481" target="_blank">971-673-0481</a> direct<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.oregongeology.org/sub/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.oregongeology.org/sub/default.htm</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:gis_info-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank">gis_info-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gis_info-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank">gis_info-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gis_info@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank">gis_info@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gis_info] Expectations of the Government GIS Community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>How many times are each agency: City, County, State, and Federal processing, creating, storing, backing up, generating and purchasing maintenance contracts on software while working on the same geospatial data? Building footprints is a simple example.
Another more relevant issue is Lidar. How many times is a DEM, DTM, or DSM is being generated from the very same players and why, it just needs to get built once. If I procured a DEM from each level of government and compared the similarities and differences
between them what would the standard deviations, if any.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Citizens, like members of this list, expect that the geospatial community is following professional ethics and following good judgement when it comes to expending taxpayer funds.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>I talk with the IT folks and they tell me that a position (a Gee Spot) they call it, is something that never changes but what does is the complexity of the software that is supposed to organize it. Sure they say, over beers, that there is relatively minor
changes to the built environment, sure there are some. The changes to the 5% of the total inventory does not warrent 95% of the business strategy including support. They site that the cost to serve geospatial is the most costly of most of the data IT is
responsable for and because of that cost and the complexitys really warrants a different approach, they said paper maps were not such a bad idea, and prior to GIS engineers were doing just fine.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Jim<u></u><u></u></p>
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