<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you all for the feedback. I have summarized it below. To put this request into context, the data is from a tree inventory that ODF did for the City of Mosier (population 400-ish)</div><div> </div><div>I am leaning towards assisting them with putting their data on AGOL and just incorporating our map services. Long-term I think will this will be the best method as they will be able to add other data and mess with the online map to their hearts content. (I will also be adding more focused maps to the county site, one of which may work better for them. Our current map has so many layers on it that I cringe every time I look at it.)</div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>Cy Smith, State GIO:</i></div><div>Depending on what it is, there are multiple ways to do this that might work better for you. If it’s Framework data, we could host it. If it’s not, but would be useful to others, perhaps ArcGIS Online is a place to host it. We have AGOL seats that are free for local governments, so whoever this is could potentially do it themselves.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><i>Joshua Tanner, State GEO:</i></div><div>It sounds like the dataset doesn’t change much, but data and schema updates are always the biggest concern when hosting services. If the data needs updating, it often means republishing the service (if using fgdb) or updating the database with the updated data (if using enterprise db). If the service is public and others are relying on the data, you have to make sure field names do not change with any updates, and put an emphasis on making sure the service is always up and working.</div><div><br></div><div>If you choose to use ArcGIS Online (available to local governments participating in data sharing agreement), you can upload the dataset as a hosted feature service. Hosted feature services in ArcGIS Online have a REST endpoint that behaves much like ArcGIS Server and can be consumed by external applications or ArcGIS Desktop. ArcGIS Online may be a better option in many instances.</div><div><br></div><div>In short, datasets that don’t need to be updated regularly are relatively straight forward to host. Performance isn’t much of an issue for most datasets for either ArcGIS Server of ArcGIS Online. ArcGIS Online may offer some additional benefits if you choose to host it there.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><i>Eli Adam, Lincoln County:</i></div><div>Does hosting it and making it available in your web map provide a</div><div>benefit to the County or fill any County goals? How does it impact</div><div>your other themes? Those seem like important evaluation criteria.</div><div><br></div><div>If it serves no County benefit or goals, then you have to see how it</div><div>detracts from County goals. For instance, if I ask you to host 200</div><div>soils layers you'll say no since it will overwhelm the useful content</div><div>you have there and obscure the County goals and benefits.</div><div><br></div><div>If it benefits the County's goals, then you have to decide how much to</div><div>charge. If you charge nothing your obligation for service is very</div><div>low. If you charge a lot, then your obligation for reliability and</div><div>service increase.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><i>Karim Naguib, Jackson County:</i></div><div>I agree with you that this would likely be a simple request, and not take a lot of effort or resources on your part, and here is how we’ve dealt with these types of requests. If the data has a greater use for the public, or multiple agencies (ie, fire protection, or other public safety type data) we will make it available through our site at no charge to the agencies. If the dataset is only useful for a small number of people, we tend not to make it available through our site. My concern would be the same as yours, that you will be opening up a can of worms if you allow in one dataset.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div>Rachel Smith, DLCD::</div><div>I would say that whether an agency decides to do this is definitely a case-by-case basis. For example, if you’ve already invested in the ArcServer license because you’re hosting your own GIS data catalog for the county, then adding a couple of layers for another agency is not really a big deal as the real expense is in the license. Some of your decision will likely depend on your relationship with the agency. Is it another county? Or another department within Wasco county asking for assistance? Sometimes it’s just not worth the cost of the paperwork to try and get reimbursement depending on how much data you’re serving. I could probably go on and on…</div><div> </div><div>I think that this opens the door for a larger conversation between you and the other agency, and that you should do your due diligence to talk about the expectations and what their plans are moving forward. Is this a temporary solution because they plan to stand up their own GIS in the next fiscal year? </div><div> </div><div>The primary issues you may face are: large files that could cost you more significant money to host, large files that could put a drain on your server/network, expectations by the agency for regular updates, expectations that the data be made available 24x7 (ie…server downtime).</div><div> </div><div>If the answers to all of these issues are, for example, it’s only 2 vector files (no raster data), they’re updated annually, and you have a good relationship with the agency, then why not help them out? Interagency agreements are always a good practice to make sure you’re both clear on the expectations. If you’re using ArcGIS Online and using credits are a concern, perhaps you agree to a 3-month test, evaluate the credit usage, and then make a decision on the cost reimbursement to see if it is worthwhile. </div><div> </div><div>I know I’ve kinda rambled on with this email, but there are a lot of factors to consider and every situation is different. It sounds like it might be a fairly easy thing to accommodate.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again,</div><div><br></div><div>Tycho</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><table style="padding:10px 0px;margin-bottom:5px;border:none"><tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:0px 7px 0px 0px"><img height="100" src="https://storage.googleapis.com/signaturesatori/customer-C00uhscv9/companyLogo/4fee31c06c1d1e75dfc764b0c72326856ad0733dcd56641e739efebef8a30794" width="100"></td><td style="border-left:3px solid rgb(232,232,232);padding:7px 0px 0px 10px"> <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:15px;font-weight:bold;color:black"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Tycho Granville, GISP <span style="font-size:11px;line-height:13px">|</span><span style="font-size:11px;line-height:13px;color:rgb(150,150,150)"> </span><em><span style="font-size:11px;line-height:13px">GIS Coordinator</span></em><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:11px;line-height:13px"> </span></span></div> <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:13px;font-weight:normal;color:black;margin-bottom:10px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><span style="color:rgb(110,70,66)"><strong><span style="line-height:17px">INFORMATION SERVICES</span></strong></span></span></span><br> <br> <span style="font-size:11px"><a href="mailto:tychog@co.wasco.or.us" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(19,72,101)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,216)">tychog@co.wasco.or.us</span></a><span style="color:rgb(0,176,216)"> | </span><a href="http://www.co.wasco.or.us" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:13px;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(19,72,101)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,216)">www.co.wasco.or.us</span></a><br> <span style="line-height:17px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">541-506–2658 | Fax </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:17px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">541-506-2641</span><br> <span style="line-height:17px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">2705 E. 2nd St. | </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:17px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The Dalles, OR 97058<br></span></span></span></div> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Tycho Granville <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tychog@co.wasco.or.us" target="_blank">tychog@co.wasco.or.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have received a request from another agency to host some
of their data on our public facing web map. The data is a small point file of
(most likely) static data that we would manage in-house. Has anyone else done
this and if so have you run into any problems/pitfalls? Do you charge for the
service and if so how much?</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m trying to figure out a policy for this (or maybe it
should be a flat no). While I would personally like to host their data I do not
want to be overwhelmed with other requests (not likely, but I'm the only one who maintains the site), and the Commissioners will want to
know what the costs are/how to pay for it.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tycho</p><div><div><table style="padding:10px 0px;margin-bottom:5px;border:none"><tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:0px 7px 0px 0px"><img height="100" src="https://storage.googleapis.com/signaturesatori/customer-C00uhscv9/companyLogo/4fee31c06c1d1e75dfc764b0c72326856ad0733dcd56641e739efebef8a30794" width="100"></td><td style="border-left:3px solid rgb(232,232,232);padding:7px 0px 0px 10px"> <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:15px;font-weight:bold;color:black"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Tycho Granville, GISP <span style="font-size:11px;line-height:13px">|</span><span style="font-size:11px;line-height:13px;color:rgb(150,150,150)"> </span><em><span style="font-size:11px;line-height:13px">GIS Coordinator</span></em><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:11px;line-height:13px"> </span></span></div> <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:13px;font-weight:normal;color:black;margin-bottom:10px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><span style="color:rgb(110,70,66)"><strong><span style="line-height:17px">INFORMATION SERVICES</span></strong></span></span></span><br> <br> <span style="font-size:11px"><a href="mailto:tychog@co.wasco.or.us" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(19,72,101)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,216)">tychog@co.wasco.or.us</span></a><span style="color:rgb(0,176,216)"> | </span><a href="http://www.co.wasco.or.us" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:13px;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(19,72,101)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,216)">www.co.wasco.or.us</span></a><br> <span style="line-height:17px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">541-506–2658 | Fax </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:17px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">541-506-2641</span><br> <span style="line-height:17px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">2705 E. 2nd St. | </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:17px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The Dalles, OR 97058<br></span></span></span></div> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div>
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