The publishing/collection aspect is a tough one, especially as our budgets continue to shrink. The technical piece, however, is much simpler. All of these seemingly technical questions are still reference questions. No one does a reference interview better than a librarian, and we are the best a sussing out the best possible resource. <br>
as these are consumable devices, there are a million resources on the web (on forums, in other libraries FAQs, etc).<br>It doesn't solve the issue of the original post, but it's something I find I have to mutter to myself, with great frequency, as I strive to learn about the latest new thing. <br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:38 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lvmalo@comcast.net">lvmalo@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><p>We may also be discriminating against those librarians who cannot afford all the new tech toys, but are expected to know how to use them in order to help patrons. Ideally, librarians should be thoroughly trained, on devices purchased and maintained solely for staff training, before we start lending similar devices to the public.</p>
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<p>This is library-dependent, of course - not all libraries' demographics demand it. But in those communities where it's necessary, libraries need to think about staff training before they lend out devices to the public. It's not enough to put a disclaimer on the device lent to the patron reading,"Library staff are unable to help you with managing or using this device." We are trained in public PC troubleshooting and we need this training as well. Anything else is bad customer service.</p>
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<p>Thanks for allowing me to put my 2 cents worth in....</p>
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<p>L.V. Malone</p>
<p>PDX Metro Librarian<br></p>
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<p><b>From: </b>"Jim Knutson" <<a href="mailto:tintin@exchangenet.net" target="_blank">tintin@exchangenet.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Publib" <<a href="mailto:publib@webjunction.org" target="_blank">publib@webjunction.org</a>>, "libs-or" <<a href="mailto:libs-or@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank">libs-or@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a>>, "Diedre Conkling" <<a href="mailto:diedre08@gmail.com" target="_blank">diedre08@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"SRRT" <<a href="mailto:srrtac-l@ala.org" target="_blank">srrtac-l@ala.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:23:10 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Libs-Or] Interesting piece: “I’m sorry, but I can’t help you…”<br>
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<div>We are experiencing discrimination against the technologically-deficient.</div>
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<div>So libraries need to get with it and lend devices to these folks. <b><font color="#ff0000">(#3, below)</font></b></div>
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<div>Are we going to provide equal access to information for all, or shrug, and give the response the true library spirit cannot stand giving?</div>
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<div>The whole world (the U.S., at least) is going this way, leaving behind those who are without. I believe soon all Medicare Summary Notices are going to come to Medicare beneficiaries via the web. Not online? Tough.</div>
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<div>Defy the trend, libraries. Break your neck to serve all. (Especially tax-supported libraries!)</div>
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<div>He huffed,</div>
<div>Jim Knutson</div>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b> <a title="diedre08@gmail.com" href="mailto:diedre08@gmail.com" target="_blank">Diedre Conkling</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a title="libs-or@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" href="mailto:libs-or@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank">libs-or</a> ; <a title="publib@webjunction.org" href="mailto:publib@webjunction.org" target="_blank">Publib</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="srrtac-l@ala.org" href="mailto:srrtac-l@ala.org" target="_blank">SRRT</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 29, 2011 4:54 PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> [Libs-Or] Interesting piece: “I’m sorry, but I can’t help you…”</div>
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<h1><font size="2">GUEST BLOG: “I’m sorry, but I can’t help you…” E-only works create challenges for serving patrons</font></h1>
<div><span>Posted on</span> <a title="11:38 am" href="http://www.districtdispatch.org/2011/07/guest-blog-%e2%80%9ci%e2%80%99m-sorry-but-i-can%e2%80%99t-help-you%e2%80%a6%e2%80%9d-e-only-works-create-challenges-for-serving-patrons/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank"><span>July 26, 2011</span></a> <span><span>by</span> <span><a title="View all posts by Jenni Terry" href="http://www.districtdispatch.org/author/jterry/" target="_blank">Jenni Terry</a></span></span><span><span>|</span> <a title="Comment on GUEST BLOG: “I’m sorry, but I can’t help you…” E-only works create challenges for serving patrons" href="http://www.districtdispatch.org/2011/07/guest-blog-%e2%80%9ci%e2%80%99m-sorry-but-i-can%e2%80%99t-help-you%e2%80%a6%e2%80%9d-e-only-works-create-challenges-for-serving-patrons/#comments" target="_blank">4 Comments</a></span></div>
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<div><b>By <a href="http://www.districtdispatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ABOUT-THE-AUTHOR_Anne-Behler.pdf" target="_blank">Anne Behler</a></b><br><i>Information Literacy Librarian<br>Penn State University Libraries<br>
Member of OITP E-book Task Force</i></div>
<p>Uttering the words, “I’m sorry, but I can’t help you” generally goes against the fiber of who librarians are as a profession. Sure, there are circumstances in which the library is not the right service for the problem, but I’d be hard pressed to find a colleague who wouldn’t bend over backward to, at the very least, assist a person with locating the right service. Built on a foundation of free information to all who would seek it, libraries are symbols of democracy and champions of open access to all forms of publication. So it’s certainly a tough pill to swallow that this is a line that we may find ourselves uttering more frequently, thanks to the proliferation of books</p>
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<p>Consider this encounter:</p>
<p>One morning this week, our general reference desk received a phone call from an individual who was doing research. He was actually located at another, smaller college in the state, but his librarians could not help him. So he tried us (a much larger, state resource university). His basic problem:</p>
<p>1) He does not own a personal computer or electronic reader and does not want one.<br></p>
<p>2) He located a book through Amazon.com that he very much wanted to access – it’s only available in e-book format both through Amazon and Barnes & Noble.<br></p>
<p><b><font color="#ff0000">3) His library does not</font></b></p>
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<p>Thus any proprietary software required to read an e-book was unavailable to him through his library.<br></p>
<p>4) He was willing to do anything so that his library could have access to this title and therefore lend it to him and others, such as buy the e-book and donate it to the collection. However, this is not possible with the e-book files, which are account-dependent information.<br>
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<p>5) He was wondering whether any of the libraries involved could ILL the title to one another for his use (again, not possible due to account and device dependent information).</p>
<p>I think you get the picture. Because this title was published in e- only (an author/publisher choice, no doubt) this individual who did not have access to personal technology devices was at a complete loss – and I was at a complete loss to assist him beyond giving suggestions about how he might borrow computers or devices to be able to download the files and read them. (He was also hoping to print out the book once acquired, which was not likely to be possible either, nor does it comply with copyright, of course). Or he could talk with his librarian about what specifically is required to be able to view the e-books on a machine at the library</p>
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<p>He and I had a very good discussion about the issues at hand, and I think he went away feeling like he had something to advocate for – for himself and for libraries. But in that moment that he asked his question, and I tried to respond, I could not rely on any traditional library tools to assist him. No interlibrary loan, no printing, no “I’ll purchase it for the library on your behalf and lend it to you,” etc.</p>
<p>Some thoughts that I hope will prompt further discussion:</p>
<p>At lot of discussions around e-books and electronic content focus on marketing the e-books that people <i>can</i> access through the library, how to make good collection development decisions about what to purchase and how to negotiate fair licenses. And I’ve heard many of us acknowledge that an e- only library is not something that promotes access for all; print copies that might duplicate e-book collections are going to be with us for a long time to come. But this situation was a stark reminder to me that we should give a nod to the elephant in the room – okay, maybe just one of the many elephants in the room – and acknowledge and address the issue of information that isn’t available at all. Or rather, is only available to those who decide to purchase a luxury device and create an information-sharing, privacy-compromising account. Access to information in this environment is certainly not equal, and so far, there doesn’t seem to be much the library can do about it. Is this something we are willing to accept? If not, how can we speak up?</p>
<p><i>The views expressed in this guest blog post do not necessarily reflect that of the ALA.</i></p><i></i>
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<p><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; font-size: 10pt;">Diedre Conkling</span></i><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; font-size: 10pt;"><br><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">Lincoln County Library District</span></i><br>
<i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">P.O. Box 2027</span></i><br><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">Newport, OR 97365</span></i><br><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">Phone & Fax: 541-265-3066</span></i><br>
<i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">Work email</span></i></span></i><i><span style="font-style: normal; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; font-size: 10pt;">: </span></i><a href="mailto:diedre@lincolncolibrarydist.org" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#0000ff">diedre@lincolncolibrarydist.org</font></span></i></a><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; font-size: 10pt;"><br>
<i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">Home email: </span></i></span></i><a href="mailto:diedre08@gmail.com" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">diedre08@gmail.com</span></i></a></p>
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