[OMS_MANAGERS] downtown parking

Tue May 29 12:44:01 PDT 2012

Negotiating with the City that the tax pays for the permits for the 
businesses, which are generic "Downtown Business Employee" tags. Businesses 
let city know how many ees they have, city gives them the tags, ees use them 
or get tickets (which is how you get them to use them). Believe me, they'll 
use them. The city could have several thousand of those rear view mirror 
hanging tags for super cheap, at most $10,000 of that $440,000. It is a 
compromise that might work. Good luck!
JKH

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From: "Carole Smith" <carole at smithkittleson.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:31 PM
To: "Oregon Main Street program managers" 
<oms_managers at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Subject: Re: [OMS_MANAGERS] downtown parking

> It changed because the City hired a consultant who said there was more 
> money to be made by implementing 2 hours limits and giving our customers 
> tickets.  Businesses downtown pay a total of $440,000 a year to the city 
> to have free, unlimited time parking on-street for our customers.  When 
> the City implemented the 2 hour limits, they left the tax in place, now we 
> pay the tax, and our customers are limited to 2 hours and get tickets. 
> It's all about the City getting more money, not about our customers or the 
> health of our businesses. . . .
>
> If we needed 2 hour limits as a parking management tool, we would have 
> been in favor, but the city implemented it as a revenue tool at the 
> expense of our downtown's health.
>
> How do you get employees to hang the tag?   If it is between parking free 
> for 2 hours, or buying a $50 monthly permit, they will always park for 
> free, even if they have to move their cars.   Even if they get 2 tickets a 
> month, they still pay less than the cost of a $50 permit.
>
> We do have whole floors in our parking garages dedicate to employee 
> parking, but the City charges $50-60 a month to park there.  That is too 
> expensive for most part time workers - especially restaurant workers who 
> only work 2 hours a day, during lunch.  They park in the street at the 
> same time our customers want to come downtown for lunch.
>
> Thanks for asking!
>
> Carole
>
> On May 29, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Jenifer Kay Hood, TEAM wrote:
>
>> Why did it change? The idea of a hang tag, similar to handicapped hang 
>> tags, is a great one, especially when tied to specific areas. Given the 
>> abundance of downtown garages, how about whole floors dedicated to 
>> downtown employees? Just a thought. Best, JKH
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Carole Smith" <carole at smithkittleson.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:22 AM
>> To: "Oregon Main Street program managers" 
>> <oms_managers at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>> Subject: Re: [OMS_MANAGERS] downtown parking
>>
>>> We used to require all business owners to list all of their employees 
>>> every six month.  That list was cross referenced with DMV and a list of 
>>> "employees" was downloaded into hand held devices.  If the parking 
>>> officer noticed a car had been parking for a long time in one area, or 
>>> day after day in one area, then they checked their hand held device and 
>>> if the car came up as belonging to an employee, all the officer had to 
>>> do was visit the business and ticket the employee. That worked well for 
>>> 35 years.
>>>
>>> Carole
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Erik Nobel wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> How do you know all of the downtown employees?  We have the block rule 
>>>> for those employee who decide not to get an employee parking permit 
>>>> from the City.  We struggle with how do you tell and employee from a 
>>>> costumer. How much time does your Parking Enforcement Officers spend 
>>>> actively pursuing a vehicle owner that is believe to be owned by a 
>>>> downtown employee without a permit?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erik Nobel
>>>> City of Klamath Falls
>>>> Planning Manager
>>>> Phone: 541.883.5254
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: oms_managers-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
>>>> [mailto:oms_managers-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Oscar Hult
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:02 AM
>>>> To: Oregon Main Street program managers
>>>> Subject: Re: [OMS_MANAGERS] downtown parking
>>>>
>>>> In Albany, employees with on street parking have a hang tag in their 
>>>> windshield, they can only park in certain areas. We try not to ticket 
>>>> customers unless they are parked taking two spaces or in the leased 
>>>> lots.
>>>> Oscar B. Hult
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> Albany Downtown Association
>>>> Albany Main Street Program
>>>> Albany Park Wise Program
>>>> 541-928-2469
>>>> www.albanydowntown.com
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/AlbanyDowntown
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>>>> [oms_managers-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Jenifer 
>>>> Kay Hood, TEAM [jhood at molalla.net]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:34 AM
>>>> To: Oregon Main Street program managers
>>>> Subject: Re: [OMS_MANAGERS] downtown parking
>>>>
>>>> Salem is notorious for ticketing. An idea I have seen is employers in 
>>>> the area give employees a sticker, which notifies parking enforcement 
>>>> that this is an employee. I know for a fact that just the scenario you 
>>>> have outlined has happened in Salem--it happened to me when I was in 
>>>> the area for a meeting. This discourages repeat customers for certain 
>>>> types of businesses.
>>>> See if the city council's reasoning was the same as in K Falls and if 
>>>> so suggest the employee tag method. Best, JKH
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Salem Downtown Partnership" <salemdowntownpartnership at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:14 AM
>>>> To: <oms_managers at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>>>> Subject: [OMS_MANAGERS] downtown parking
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The City of Salem has a clause in their 2 hour parking ordinance we
>>>>> find annoying.  The clause prevents our customers from parking more
>>>>> than once per day on any block downtown.  Example, if a customer comes
>>>>> downtown in the morning for coffee, and comes back in the afternoon to
>>>>> shop, and happens to park in the same block they used in the morning -
>>>>> they get a ticket. . . .  Needless to say this has been a major
>>>>> problems for our customers who want to support us, but also don't like 
>>>>> getting tickets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do any of your cities have this ordinance, and what have you done
>>>>> about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Carole Smith
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