[OMS_MANAGERS] business sign removal for closed businesses

Thu Sep 22 08:26:23 PDT 2016

Emma,

What Dallas can do about the situation will depend on their local Code.  Here in Stayton, the Code says:

We have used this provision to require building owners to remove signs for businesses that are no longer in operation.  Usually a simple letter is enough to obtain compliance, but occasionally  a notice of violation is required.

Dan Fleishman

Planning and Development Director

City of Stayton

362 N Third Avenue

Stayton, OR 97383

Ph 503-769-2998

www.staytonoregon.gov

From: OMS_MANAGERS [mailto:oms_managers-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Jonathan Stone
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:41 PM
To: Oregon Main Street program managers
Subject: Re: [OMS_MANAGERS] business sign removal for closed businesses

Thanks Paul. My knowledge of what is possible is slim. We recently went through a sign code update and as far as I know the city's lawyers were pretty clear that business license does not apply as a criteria to sign ownership.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Paul M Cohen <paul.m.cohen at downtownbeaverton.org> wrote:

I don't think content neutrality applies. Every city in the US should have already moved to it or open themselves up to lawsuits after US Supreme Court, 9-0 Reed vs Gilbert Az decision last year.

One way to address it is for cities with business licenses to claim the sign is for unlicensed business and needs to come down.

If the sign is old there may be collectors interesting in buying them even for $1 it is a good deal if the buyer removes them.

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I apologize for any typos Siri might have made.

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On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Jonathan Stone <jon at downtownoregoncity.org> wrote:

	Given the tendency for Oregon sign codes to move towards content neutrality it might be a hard sell. That being said there could be opportunity for code enforcement related to condition and upkeep.

	On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:24 PM, STUART Sheri * OPRD <Sheri.Stuart at oregon.gov> wrote:

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	Any thoughts for Emma? See message below….Sheri

	From: Emma Guida [mailto:emmagdda at gmail.com] 
	Dallas Downtown Association

	I just had a quick question that I hope you could offer some guidance on. Dallas' downtown has a significant number of signs from old businesses that the previous owners have not yet taken down. I have spoken with Brian Dalton, the mayor, and someone from the city about it, and they say that the business owners have been asked to take the signs down multiple times in some cases, but have not yet. I was wondering if you had any advice on how best to go about this, or if the only way is to for the city to take more punitive measures. Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks so much.

	Best,

	Emma

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