[or-roots] Marriage Certificate Vs Return of Marriage

C Thompson ashalen at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 25 17:29:21 PDT 2004 

Thank you for your help! I will be looking into getting copies of those 
certificates. Maybe one will have something interesting!

Thanks!
Carisa


>From: "Layne G SAWYER" <Layne.G.Sawyer at state.or.us>
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>Carisa,
>
>Did you get the copies of the Hood River records from the state
>archives? We have the Marriage License, the Medical Certificate for Asa
>Marion White and the Certificate of Marriage.  The marriage licence
>includes a notation from Lawalta Knowles' mother giving her consent to
>marry Asa.  The mother's signature appears and gives her name as Mary I.
>Whaite.  She also signs as witness on the marriage certificate the other
>witness is William A. Isenberg.  They married in the office of A. W.
>Onthank
>
>The spelling of her first names on these documents varies: Lawalta,
>Lawatta, and Louratta.
>
>Photocopies of these three records would be available from the
>Archives. You could email the reference staff directly if you wished to
>or visit the Archives and make the copies yourself.
>
>The e-mail address is:
>reference.archives @state.or.us
>
>Regards,
>
>Layne Sawyer
>"list Mom"
>Oregon State Archives
>
> >>> ashalen at hotmail.com 9/23/2004 11:21:56 PM >>>
>She did leave her husband Asa M White as well for another man. I've
>looked
>for a Divorce certificate but didn't find one. She moved to Washington
>for a
>little while and hand another Daughter Bernice G. in the 1930 Census
>she was
>in Coos County, North Bend Oregon. They list her has being Married to
>William H Palmer. But from what a geneological source for the Asa
>White's
>side of the family says they never did divorce. I have done searches on
>both
>last names. The only reason I came across Lawalta in the 1910 Census is
>they
>had a Mary Lauretta Knowles listed as age 6. I looked at the image and
>it
>isn't Mary Lauretta, but Mary Lawalta Step-Daughter to Henry A Whaite
>in
>Kennewick Washington. So sometime inbetween 1910 and 1920 She started
>using
>her middle name.  I also traced her mother and step-father down to
>California in 1930 where her step-father passed later on. But I still
>can
>not find a trace of Lawalta aka Mary. I have found alot of Mary White's
>very
>common name, but it's hard to narrow it down. I just continue searching
>
>hoping I run into something I missed.
>
>Some where there was a rumor that Lawalta might have had Mental
>problems
>since she did leave her 3 year old daughter and run off with another
>man.
>Does anyone know where I might be able to get indexes of asylums? It is
>a
>possibility to look into.
>
>Think I'll upload my gedcom file, hopefully that'll help
>
>I have to thank everyone again for all the help and ideas you are
>giving me.
>It is very generous and a blessing when you've been banging your head
>against the walls trying to figure things out! =)
>
>Thanks
>Carisa
>
>
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> >If she left her daughter did she also leave her husband?  Maybe she
> >remarried and had a different last name on a death certificate or
>SSDI.
> >Where was she in 1930?  Was she still with her husband?
> >
> >Sue
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "C Thompson" <ashalen at hotmail.com>
> >To: <or-roots at sosinet.sos.state.or.us>
> >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:07 PM
> >Subject: Re: [or-roots] Marriage Certificate Vs Return of Marriage
> >
> >
> > > Is there a calculator or something out there to estimate the months
>in
> >which
> > > they might have been born. The event dates I have are:
> > >
> > > 1910 Census  Enumerated May 5th 1910 She was 6
> > > Marriage On January 14 1919 she was 16
> > > 1920 Census Enumerated on January 5th 1920 she was 16
> > > First Birth Viola Marva White February 16 1920 She was 17
> > > 1930 Census Enumerated on April 16th 1930 she was 26
> > >
> > > It almost looks like she had her birth moth between Jan 1st and Feb
>
> >16th.
> > > But if that were the case wouldn't she be 27 April 1930?
> > >
> > >
> > > With the SSI that someone mentioned. I've searched that several
>times
> >and
> > > have come up with nothing. The problem also is that I'm afraid that
>she
> > > never got a SS # since she was a home maker.
> > >
> > > With the information about certificate 0648 in the Oregon Archives,
>I
> >have
> > > that on and it's the return of Marriage form.
> > >
> > > Oh Sigh.. Keeps me up at night pondering what happened to her. Why
>she
> >left
> > > her daughter, Where did she go after 1930, where did she die when
>did
> >she
> > > die how did she.  I guess that is the side effects of doing
>geneology!
> >=)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Carisa
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > > >             Name County Marriage Date
> > > >
> > > >             Lawalta M Knowles Hood River  14 Jan 1919
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >       Knowles, Lawalta M & White, Asa Marion 12-31-1919 Marriage
>Hood
> > > >River
> > > >Genealogical 0648
> > > >Oregon Historical Index   Copies available from the Oregon
>Archives
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >A couple of people have posted information on her in Ancestry.com
> > > >Contact: Richard Dunn
> > > >Contact: Scott Jarvie    scottj at byu.edu
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >1920 Census   Enumerated 5th day of January 1920  Enumeration
>District
> >213
> > > >Sheet No. 2A
> > > >Oregon
> > > >Wasco County
> > > >Maupin Precinct
> > > >Asa M White Head /Owned Home/ Free of mortgage/ Male/ White/ Age
>last
> > > >birthday 35/ Married/ Yes Read & Write/ Birthplace Wisconsin/
>Father &
> > > >Mother born United States/ Speaks English/ Laborer/ Industry:
>Steam
> > > >Railroad
> > > >/ Worker
> > > >
> > > >Lawalta M White  Wife /
> > > >Female/ White/ Age last birthday 16/ Married/ Attended School
>anytime
> >since
> > > >9/1/1919 Yes / Yes Read & Write/ Birthplace Iowa/ Father's
>birthplace
> >Iowa/
> > > >Mother's birthplace Iowa/ Speaks English/ Trade None
> > > >
> > > >Sue
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "C Thompson" <ashalen at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <or-roots at sosinet.sos.state.or.us>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:33 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [or-roots] Marriage Certificate Vs Return of
>Marriage
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you for all your help!
> > > > >
> > > > > I've hit a major brick wall in my research. As I have no idea
>what
> > > >happened
> > > > > to my great-grandmother. She left my Grandmother when she was 3
>
> >years
> > > >old.
> > > > > We found the birth certificate for my Grandmother, and so we
>have
> >the
> > > >name
> > > > > of Lawalta Mary Knowles from Iowa, and we found the return of
> >marriage
> > > >form
> > > > > being married in Hood River in 1917. Even with both those
>records it
> > > >does
> > > > > not hold Lawalta's exact Date of Birth. We can only estimate
>that
> >her
> > > > > birthdate is in the year 1903. I've even checked the Census and
>
> >those
> > > >don't
> > > > > have exact birth dates either. No birth records found in any
> >searches.
> >I
> > > > > just don't know where to go next. I figured I'd try looking
>deeper
> >into
> > > >her
> > > > > marriage which we have the exact date of and location to see if
>they
> > > > > recorded her birthdate anywhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has any other suggestions I'd love the help!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again for the responces!
> > > > >
> > > > > Carisa
> > > >
> > > >
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