[or-roots] Name coincidences

Wed Jun 10 16:22:43 PDT 2009

What was the time frame?

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[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
Paulette
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [or-roots] Name coincidences

My husband is a Welsh speaker and teaches Welsh; he doesn't think
Carroll is a Welsh name as are Howell and Llewelen, but then English and
Welsh names have gotten mixed up over time. His Tatums married Howells
in NC.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Harguess, Dale" <dharguess at coastline.edu>
>Sent: Jun 10, 2009 4:13 PM
>To: Paulette <pswitzertatum at peoplepc.com>, or-roots mail list
<or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Name coincidences
>
>I have only been able to trace James Ellison Howell to having been born
>in Tennessee but I do suspect that they originated in North Carolina.
I
>know that the Llewelens started out in NC and that Howell and Llewelen
>are both Welsh names.  I don't know about Marrs where that name comes
>from but I think Carroll is also Welsh but not sure of this.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
>Paulette
>Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:59 PM
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>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Name coincidences
>
>I'm sorry to intrude, but I wonder if your Howells are from North
>Carolina? Rowan and/or Ashe County by any chance?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Harguess, Dale" <dharguess at coastline.edu>
>>Sent: Jun 10, 2009 1:01 PM
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>>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Name coincidences
>>
>>Yes, I know what you mean.  My Howells are so hard to trace and I
>>actually have them on both sides of my family and don't know if they
>>were connected way back in the 1700's or not.  It is a very common
name
>>in Oregon, partly because my branch were very prolific and had a lot
of
>>twins.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>>[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
Leslie
>>Chapman
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:11 AM
>>To: or-roots mail list
>>Subject: [or-roots] Name coincidences
>>
>>Dale;
>>
>>I thought it kinda that way since I don't recall noticing Carrol(l) as
>a
>>particularly common name and since the population of Oregon in 1850
>>wasn't
>>so huge as to generate every imaginable surname by accident. Some of
>>them do
>>seem awfully common though. We had a friend her in Reedsport that was
a
>>Foster descendant and she asked me to look into her ancestry, but at
>the
>>time I was pretty green and didn't get far, but in browsing 1850
>>Clackamas
>>Co to find a Dunn to check out for Paul Christian I stumbled across
>>about
>>five families of Fosters. Knowing they probably are no kin of my
Foster
>>ancestors just somehow makes that a little discouraging.
>>
>>Les C
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>>[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us]On Behalf Of
>>Harguess,
>>Dale
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:46 AM
>>To: or-roots mail list
>>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Carrol / Lewelling
>>
>>
>>Interesting......
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>>[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
Leslie
>>Chapman
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:10 PM
>>To: or-roots mail list
>>Subject: [or-roots] Carrol / Lewelling
>>
>>Dale;
>>
>>in 1850  >  OREGON   >  CLACKAMAS  >  MILWAUKIE
>>Series: M432  Roll: 742  Page: 16
>>
>>there is a William Carrol age 32 Carpenter with $1000 real esteate b.
>>Ohio
>>and Samuel age 26 Farmer, $1500 also OH.
>>
>>on the page before there are a whole bunch of Lewellings; Henderson 42
>>gardener $10,000 real estate b NC  Wife Elizabeth age 33 and a whole
>>bunch
>>of Kids, I don't remember who was talking about them a few days ago,
>but
>>thought I would throw that in here.
>>
>>Les C
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:  Harguess, Dale
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:00 PM
>>
>>Interesting.  I have only begun to do research on the Carroll family
>and
>>it isn't easy because anything that I might find would be before the
>>1850 census.  My great great grandfather's mother was a Hettie
Carroll,
>>I don't know if that was a nickname for Henrietta or Harriet but I
>>assume it was a nickname.  She was married and died in Illinois.  Her
>>son ended up in Hardman Oregon and in fact is buried there.
>>Dale
>>
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