[or-roots] Row River Row

Fri Jan 27 09:09:09 PST 2012

Ah, I seem to remember something about that - they would have been left in
the mountains if not for them, right?

Pat

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Pat,

The my ggg grandfather George Clark, the Row River murder victim that
started this discussion, and his family were on the train. His brothers were
among the searchers from Cottage Grove.  

Stephen

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Stephen

Who of yours came in 1853? My Parks gang (George B W and Cynthia
[Richardson] Parks, kids and her brother) were on the Lost Wagon Train.
Settled first near Roseburg.

Pat

In Tucson

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Jack,

Interesting.  Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from
near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They
arrived in Illinois about 1832.

Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with.  My Clarks
came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre
in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon
Train of 1853."  

The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks.

Stephen Clark

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Stephen,

Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL.
Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock,
Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849
and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna
Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the
county line. 

Regards,

Jack Ciaccia
Boulder, CO

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Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the
reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged.  I'm hoping that the Army
Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC
included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near
present day Vaughn County Park.

Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been
involved in building the Reservoir?

Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so
far.
Stephen Clark

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List,

My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols
and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back
in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now
under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around
1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved
off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I
think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original
schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe,
according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the
reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's
family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena.
Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father,
Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. 

Jack Ciaccia

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Stephen

Unfortunatly I have run into that before also.

Glen Jones Portland

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Thanks Glen

Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg
153 in "Golden Was The Past."

The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one
knows her source.

Stephen

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Stephen

Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy
Society Their

also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area.

Glen Jones Portland, Oregon

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Roy,

I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is
a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be
about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row).  Its at the
bottom of page 153  and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena
School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." 

Do you know anything about this statement in the book.

Stephen Clark 
ggg grandson of George Clark

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My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent
little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a
hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe
River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks
and Southwells. 

- For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-}

Roy Blaine 

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On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM,  <mailto:rowriver at aol.com> rowriver at aol.com
wrote:

Les,

That's one I had not heard.

The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River
follows:

In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork
of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river
which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage
Grove. 

These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to
pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from
the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name
that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree.

At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the
Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their
roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois.  They were, by the
way related through marriage.

Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868,
March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph
Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted.  The
dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep.  During this
confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and
killed. 

The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the
Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename
the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. 

George Clark was my ggg grandfather.

So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to
my grandfather.  It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it.

Stephen

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Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in
some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern
up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where
as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's
teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume
that is the story you are referring too? 

Les C

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Hi Les,

Thank you for the information. I will check  this link.

Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere
between Cottage Grove and Dorena.
In fact I'm a native San Diegan.  I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in
Eugene from 2003 to 2006.  That is not, however, the reason my email is Row
River....

Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard
the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called
the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.  My ggg grandfather was
the George Clark referenced in this story. 

If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you.

Stephen Clark

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