[or-roots] Canada English Scottish

[Leslie Chapman]

That might have something to do with it, I went back and reviewed my file and the one who was listing himself as Scottish was third generation born on this continent. I think it was the first and second generations born here that were most of the Tories in my family which was how that branch got to Canada so it seems like getting along with the English wouldn't have been a factor, but you never know for sure.
Les

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From: cklooster at aol.com <cklooster at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Canada English Scottish
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 5:15 PM

Les, given the antipathy felt by many of the Scots toward the English (http://www.cranntara.org.uk/clear.htm)  concerning the various acts of Clearance, and also the settlement pattern after emigrating to Canada, the continued identity is probably understandable.  If you do a search for "Scotch Block" Canada, you find a number of areas so designated.  My paternal grandfather, David Christie, was born in Ancaster near Carluke, Ontario.  Carluke is found under a local/regional designation as a Scotch Block because of the many Scots families settled in that area.  It seems likely that as a result of the English attempts to end clan culture (forbidding the playing of the bagpipes or wearing clan tartans, for example) emigrating Scots would be fierce in retaining their ethnic identity and the Canadian census reflected that.  Just a guess!    Carla







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Here's a poser for you Pat, in the 1881 Canadian census few of my cousins are listed as being of Scottish Ethnic Origin which is probably the correct answer while most of them are listed as English. My question is whether in 1881 and several generations, well maybe only three generations removed from our ancestor who was born in Scotland is that really a valid answer per their questionnaire? I realize that is a little off topic, but it just occurred to me apropos your information on the instructions. Has anyone ever seen the instructions for the Canadian Census?






Les C



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From: Kith-n-Kin <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>

Subject: Re: [or-roots] Canada English

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Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 8:48 AM





Ronda



In Canada, in the 19th century, "Canada-English" generally refered to

Ontario and the "English" provinces, rather than Quebec -- "French"

provinces.



"Can Eng" "Can West" and "Upper Canada" mean Ontario

"Can Fr" "Can East" and "Lower Canada" mean Quebec



However, on the 1900 census, the instructions were:



143. If the birthplace reported is Canada or Newfoundland, ask whether the

person is of English or French descent. Write Canada English or Canada

French, according to the answer.



So, presumably, a person born in Quebec of "English" origin rather than

"French" origin would be so noted. 



In 1930, we have:



170. French Canadians should be distinguished from other Canadians. For a

French-speaking person born in Canada, enter "Canada-French"; for all other

persons born in Canada, enter "Canada-English" (even though they may not

actually speak English).



In 1940 we have:



475. French Canadians, i.e., Canadians of French mother tongue, should be

distinguished from other Canadians and reported as Canada-French. For all

other persons born in Canada, enter Canada, English, even though they may

not actually speak English.



Isn't this fun?



Just goes to show that you ALWAYS have to read the enumerators instructions

before deciding what a particular usage means.



Here's a great resource for that:



http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumInstr.shtml



Pat

In Tucson








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