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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue, No, I have not been in touch with either one
of them. But I will do it very soon. Thanks. Patty</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ssteward@ccountry.net href="mailto:ssteward@ccountry.net">Sue
Steward</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 12, 2004 8:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [or-roots] George and Sarah
Shirts</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There are a couple of people who have submitted
information on the Shirts family on ancestry.com Terry D.
Smith <A href="mailto:tdsmith@lds.net">tdsmith@lds.net</A>
and Richard Montgomery <A
href="mailto:rmontorl@earthlink.net">rmontorl@earthlink.net</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>One lists Sarah's maiden name as Brock and the other
lists it as Block.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Flora is listed as Flora in some of the info and
Florinda in the other. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Have you been in contact with either of these to see
what information they have.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sue</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chats1225@inreach.com href="mailto:chats1225@inreach.com">Patty
Starritt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 12, 2004 6:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [or-roots] George and
Sarah Shirts</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Les, Thanks for the info and explanation.
Yes, that is the right family. Sarah Shirts would be my ggg
grandmother. I am now trying to find out her maiden name. I
think it might be Brock. I am also trying to find out how they
got to Portland area. I've looked through as many wagon train
lists as I can find. THis is a very time consuming
hobby!! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Patty</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>chats1225@inreach.com </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=khanjehgil@presys.com href="mailto:khanjehgil@presys.com">Leslie
Chapman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 09, 2004 9:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [or-roots] George and
Sarah Shirts</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>Patty;<BR><BR>You aren't real clear on what you are asking for, first
it seems you are unfamiliar with the concept of "lists" if that is the
case I will try to give a concise (pause for groan from rest of list)
explanation of what a "list" is about, and then since you haven't
mentioned whether you have said info will throw some census info at
you.<BR><BR>LISTS; by joining this list you have joined with a group of
folks who have signed on to receive a copy of everything anybody else
sends in (there is digest form for those who find the occasional mailing
blitz cumbersome, the disadvantage is when html format mail such as this
comes through it is awkward). In theory the topic of this list is OREGON
genealogy and history. Our list mom is pretty tolerant (ie extended
discussion of 20th century weather at Christmas time) but the idea is to
stick to topic. Your submission is quite valid. Ideally to get best
results you should give what you know, what you want and the one thing a
lot of us are guilty of forgetting; put your email addy in body of query.
Subject line relavent to query is helpfull.<BR><BR>Remember, the more we
know, the better we can help you, what a lot of folks tend to do is send
queries like: I want to know about the Jones family. That doesn't tell us
much and will probably be ignored. Your query could have been better with
some dates, but the fact it includes place names makes it better by far
than "Jones"; I have 33 folks in my family tree by the name Jones, but if
someone asked me for info on that surname odds are about 100,000 to one it
wouldn't be someone in MY family, so just asking for "Jones" would tend to
make me not want to bother.<BR><BR>Sometimes we be a little crotchety,
sometime folks will come on with well presented good queries and nobody
will answer. We may all be busy elsewhere, we may encounter the same
problem that cause the querier to turn to us in the first place; we can't
find an answer either or maybe the mood just doesn't strike us. We help
out for two reasons, one a lot of us like solving puzzles and are willing
to spend our time helping a total stranger and the other reason is to
build "Karma" points. Most folks probably wouldn't express it that way,
but most folks here are basically nice folks that like to be helpful,
which is a very reciprocal kind of thing, if you like to help folks, I can
almost guarantee there will be peeps who will want to help you and sooner
or later if you stay here long someone will ask a question you can answer.
And, as I always have to point out "I" almost never go to look for
something for someone else without finding something that helps
me.<BR><BR>Les Chapman khanjehgil@presys.com<BR><BR>-1880 Census;</P>
<P>
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8> Name </FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Relation</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Marital Status</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Gender</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Race</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Age</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Birthplace</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Occupation</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Father's Birthplace</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Mother's Birthplace</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4453773_0&frompage=5">Sarah
SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> Self </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=left> Female </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 64 </TD>
<TD align=left> TN </TD>
<TD align=left> Keeping House </TD>
<TD align=left> VA </TD>
<TD align=left> VA </TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#efefe7>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4453773_1&frompage=5">Joel
SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> Son </TD>
<TD align=left> S </TD>
<TD align=left> Male </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 25 </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD>
<TD align=left> Laborer </TD>
<TD align=left> --- </TD>
<TD align=left> TN </TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4453773_2&frompage=5">John
SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> GSon </TD>
<TD align=left> S </TD>
<TD align=left> Male </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 11 </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD>
<TD align=left> </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- Notes --><!-- Source Information --><BR>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD 10??> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Census Place</B></TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Pocahontas, Baker, Oregon</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Family History Library Film</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C180%2C0&filmno=1255080"
target=_parent>1255080</A></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>NA Film Number</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>T9-1080</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Page Number</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><A
href="javascript:imageWindow=open('1880USCensusCost.asp','imageRecord','menubar=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=440');imageWindow=open('http://www.ancestry.com/FamilySearch/?nara=T9-1080&pgno=15A&irecid=1880US_4453773_0','imageRecord','menubar=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=440');imageWindow.focus();">15A</A>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8> Name </FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Relation</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Marital Status</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Gender</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Race</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Age</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Birthplace</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Occupation</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Father's Birthplace</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Mother's Birthplace</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4470431_0&frompage=5">George
N SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> Self </TD>
<TD align=left> M </TD>
<TD align=left> Male </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 32 </TD>
<TD align=left> IN </TD>
<TD align=left> Farm Laborer </TD>
<TD align=left> CT </TD>
<TD align=left> TN </TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#efefe7>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4470431_1&frompage=5">Amanda
E SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> Wife </TD>
<TD align=left> M </TD>
<TD align=left> Female </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 18 </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD>
<TD align=left> Keeping House </TD>
<TD align=left> IN </TD>
<TD align=left> PA </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- Notes --><!-- Source Information --><BR>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD 10??> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Census Place</B></TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Halsey, Linn, Oregon</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Family History Library Film</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C180%2C0&filmno=1255082"
target=_parent>1255082</A></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>NA Film Number</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>T9-1082</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Page Number</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><A
href="javascript:imageWindow=open('1880USCensusCost.asp','imageRecord','menubar=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=440');imageWindow=open('http://www.ancestry.com/FamilySearch/?nara=T9-1082&pgno=424D&irecid=1880US_4470431_0','imageRecord','menubar=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=440');imageWindow.focus();">424D</A>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT></P>
<P>-Let me know if either of these looks like the right person, I couldn't
find George in 1870 or 1860 in Oreg</P>
<P> </P>
<P>on---Original Message-----<BR>From: Patty Starritt<BR>Sent: Friday,
April 09, 2004 9:45 AM<BR><BR>Help! I don't really understand how
all this works but I am trying to find out the when and why of George and
Sarah Shirts emigration to Oregon from Indiana. Their last child
Flora Shirts was born near Portland but I can find no info on this.
There is the possibility that they were missionaries. Does anyone
know anything about them?
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