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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I don't really know much about them but a cousin of
my mother-in-law was married to an Irving Counts in Deschutes County,
Oregon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sue</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=moreland@moseslake-wa.com
href="mailto:moreland@moseslake-wa.com">Betty Moreland</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 12, 2004 9:35
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [or-roots] George and Sarah
Shirts</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>iS ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH the Gibbs or Counts
family. They lived in southern Oregon. Or Moreland and Reed families. The
Reeds were in lumber and farming.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=khanjehgil@presys.com href="mailto:khanjehgil@presys.com">Leslie
Chapman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 09, 2004 9:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [or-roots] George and
Sarah Shirts</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>Patty;<BR><BR>You aren't real clear on what you are asking for, first it
seems you are unfamiliar with the concept of "lists" if that is the case I
will try to give a concise (pause for groan from rest of list) explanation
of what a "list" is about, and then since you haven't mentioned whether you
have said info will throw some census info at you.<BR><BR>LISTS; by joining
this list you have joined with a group of folks who have signed on to
receive a copy of everything anybody else sends in (there is digest form for
those who find the occasional mailing blitz cumbersome, the disadvantage is
when html format mail such as this comes through it is awkward). In theory
the topic of this list is OREGON genealogy and history. Our list mom is
pretty tolerant (ie extended discussion of 20th century weather at Christmas
time) but the idea is to stick to topic. Your submission is quite valid.
Ideally to get best results you should give what you know, what you want and
the one thing a lot of us are guilty of forgetting; put your email addy in
body of query. Subject line relavent to query is helpfull.<BR><BR>Remember,
the more we know, the better we can help you, what a lot of folks tend to do
is send queries like: I want to know about the Jones family. That doesn't
tell us much and will probably be ignored. Your query could have been better
with some dates, but the fact it includes place names makes it better by far
than "Jones"; I have 33 folks in my family tree by the name Jones, but if
someone asked me for info on that surname odds are about 100,000 to one it
wouldn't be someone in MY family, so just asking for "Jones" would tend to
make me not want to bother.<BR><BR>Sometimes we be a little crotchety,
sometime folks will come on with well presented good queries and nobody will
answer. We may all be busy elsewhere, we may encounter the same problem that
cause the querier to turn to us in the first place; we can't find an answer
either or maybe the mood just doesn't strike us. We help out for two
reasons, one a lot of us like solving puzzles and are willing to spend our
time helping a total stranger and the other reason is to build "Karma"
points. Most folks probably wouldn't express it that way, but most folks
here are basically nice folks that like to be helpful, which is a very
reciprocal kind of thing, if you like to help folks, I can almost guarantee
there will be peeps who will want to help you and sooner or later if you
stay here long someone will ask a question you can answer. And, as I always
have to point out "I" almost never go to look for something for someone else
without finding something that helps me.<BR><BR>Les Chapman
khanjehgil@presys.com<BR><BR>-1880 Census;</P>
<P>
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8> Name </FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Relation</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Marital Status</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Gender</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Race</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Age</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Birthplace</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Occupation</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Father's Birthplace</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Mother's Birthplace</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4453773_0&frompage=5">Sarah
SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> Self </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=left> Female </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 64 </TD>
<TD align=left> TN </TD>
<TD align=left> Keeping House </TD>
<TD align=left> VA </TD>
<TD align=left> VA </TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#efefe7>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4453773_1&frompage=5">Joel
SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> Son </TD>
<TD align=left> S </TD>
<TD align=left> Male </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 25 </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD>
<TD align=left> Laborer </TD>
<TD align=left> --- </TD>
<TD align=left> TN </TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4453773_2&frompage=5">John
SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> GSon </TD>
<TD align=left> S </TD>
<TD align=left> Male </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 11 </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD>
<TD align=left> </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- Notes --><!-- Source Information --><BR>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD 10??> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Census Place</B></TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Pocahontas, Baker, Oregon</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Family History Library Film</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C180%2C0&filmno=1255080"
target=_parent>1255080</A></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>NA Film Number</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>T9-1080</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Page Number</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><A
href="javascript:imageWindow=open('1880USCensusCost.asp','imageRecord','menubar=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=440');imageWindow=open('http://www.ancestry.com/FamilySearch/?nara=T9-1080&pgno=15A&irecid=1880US_4453773_0','imageRecord','menubar=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=440');imageWindow.focus();">15A</A>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8> Name </FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Relation</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Marital Status</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Gender</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Race</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Age</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Birthplace</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Occupation</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Father's Birthplace</FONT></TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#336699><FONT
color=#dbdbc8>Mother's Birthplace</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4470431_0&frompage=5">George
N SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> Self </TD>
<TD align=left> M </TD>
<TD align=left> Male </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 32 </TD>
<TD align=left> IN </TD>
<TD align=left> Farm Laborer </TD>
<TD align=left> CT </TD>
<TD align=left> TN </TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#efefe7>
<TD> <A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_4470431_1&frompage=5">Amanda
E SHIRTS</A> </TD>
<TD align=left> Wife </TD>
<TD align=left> M </TD>
<TD align=left> Female </TD>
<TD align=left> W </TD>
<TD align=middle> 18 </TD>
<TD align=left> OR </TD>
<TD align=left> Keeping House </TD>
<TD align=left> IN </TD>
<TD align=left> PA </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- Notes --><!-- Source Information --><BR>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD 10??> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Census Place</B></TD>
<TD vAlign=top>Halsey, Linn, Oregon</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Family History Library Film</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><A
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C180%2C0&filmno=1255082"
target=_parent>1255082</A></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>NA Film Number</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top>T9-1082</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD width=10> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><B>Page Number</B> </TD>
<TD vAlign=top><A
href="javascript:imageWindow=open('1880USCensusCost.asp','imageRecord','menubar=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=440');imageWindow=open('http://www.ancestry.com/FamilySearch/?nara=T9-1082&pgno=424D&irecid=1880US_4470431_0','imageRecord','menubar=yes,toolbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=440');imageWindow.focus();">424D</A>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT></P>
<P>-Let me know if either of these looks like the right person, I couldn't
find George in 1870 or 1860 in Oreg</P>
<P> </P>
<P>on---Original Message-----<BR>From: Patty Starritt<BR>Sent: Friday, April
09, 2004 9:45 AM<BR><BR>Help! I don't really understand how all this
works but I am trying to find out the when and why of George and Sarah
Shirts emigration to Oregon from Indiana. Their last child Flora
Shirts was born near Portland but I can find no info on this. There is
the possibility that they were missionaries. Does anyone know anything
about them? Thanks.</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>