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<DIV> You act like WE killed the poor man! If you had any brains or used what little the Lord gave you you would know that 'Kevin' had to be ill when he started his emails. His actions appeared to be the results of a Very immature young person. They were such that more that one individual reported his emails to his ISP. (Yes, I did! When I report, I forward the offending piece of correspondence to the ISP for them to deal with. I do not in my wisdom act as ' judge and jury'.) We had no way of knowing he was ill.
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<DIV>Now With this thought in mind would you like to have me start forwarding your mail to your ISP? You are spending way to much time attacking those on this list. If you don't like us - - - LEAVE! </DIV>
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<DIV> <A href="mailto:kassing@charter.net">kassing@charter.net</A></DIV>
<DIV>541-882-7859</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 08/02/04 07:46:57</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [or-roots] sick sense of humor!</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Les Chapman,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>You pick and choose what you wanted to write on this page. You did not put down all of the E-mails Kevin received from most of you. You only put a very small percentage of the cruel things you wrote to him. What a Hypocrite. Not evened out at all to the real truth, your just trying to make your selves look as innocent as you can. "Will, Too late"...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Kevin is dead!..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Your conversation with Cecil, will I did not see him get on and write Cruel things to Kevin, but some of you did.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Hey, and Cecil has a computer and knows how to put his thoughts on here ..Is he hiding behind you and letting you speak for him? No, Leave him out of it, he did not say anything bad on list about Kevin, as some of you! Each one speaks for him or herself, don't speak for others, it means nothing, they can speak for themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>What do you mean you could have been a lot ruder, how much ruder could you have got, my god! ..The man is DEAD.. wake up!. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Some of y</FONT><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>ou people seen the humor in what you did to Kevin, a few of us did not see any humor in it at all. You said you see it as a Joke? What an evil sense of humor you have.. Pure Meanness from bored people. </FONT><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>The rudeness that Kevin endured until he died, was not necessary to the extent you carried it, but you people, I really don't think have a kind bone in your bored bodies. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Your Question to Nancy? What is the Question, How weird your writing is.. What were you drinking now? hmmm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Like you said, "It's a free country" and I will continue to "speak my peace" "You don't like it", get off he list or</FONT><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2> just SHUT UP! like you said at the end of you weird / strange humor/ writings! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Nancy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 08/02/04 00:17:59</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">Oregon List</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> [or-roots] K & S chronology</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Since Nancy has so blithely accused us of being rude to K & S in an</DIV>
<DIV>unprovoked attack I thought I would review the chronology of the wonderful</DIV>
<DIV>exchange of views.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before I start on that however I must have a helping of crow, I just checked</DIV>
<DIV>Google and they no longer post name and mailing address when your name is</DIV>
<DIV>typed in, I guess they got so much flak for it they discontinued that</DIV>
<DIV>"service".</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Les Chapman <A title=mailto:khanjehgil@presys.com href="mailto:khanjehgil@presys.com">khanjehgil@presys.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV>"At approximately 4 p.m. Monday July 26th (I assume PDT, though the</DIV>
<DIV>archiving format at OR-roots makes that less than clear) whoever was using K</DIV>
<DIV>& S's email address began sending this message in response to EVERY post to</DIV>
<DIV>the OR-roots list;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please remove our email address from your computer. All messages from you</DIV>
<DIV>are now blocked.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks!"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:04:50 EDT which if I remember right is 11:04 p.m.</DIV>
<DIV>PDT someone attempted to unsubscribe by sending this message in the body of</DIV>
<DIV>their email;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Please unsubscribe me. Thank You."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At; 7/27/2004 6:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Walt was the first person on the list to respond with the question and</DIV>
<DIV>advice;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"I have recieved about 10 of these what does this person want. If they want</DIV>
<DIV>to be removed from the list I don't think this is going to help.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I suggest following these directions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A title=mailto:_mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe_ href="mailto:_mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe_">_mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe_</A></DIV>
<DIV>(<A title=mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe href="mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe">mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe</A>) "</DIV>
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<DIV>at; Tue 7/27/04 10:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I had to throw in my two bits about the virus discussion and added a post</DIV>
<DIV>script to K & S as follows;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"P.S. Kevin and Shirlee; you will be relieved of all our babble as soon as</DIV>
<DIV>you take walts adivce and unsubscribe properly."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:06:07 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>someone, maybe Dan, (when we post thing in html format the archived letter</DIV>
<DIV>is real gibberish) but I thought it was Verdena? made a comment about folks</DIV>
<DIV>leaving and suggested it was because the didn't understand "Oregonianese"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Shortly after; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:20:09 -0700: Pat posted the following</DIV>
<DIV>note;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Walt and all</DIV>
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<DIV>This person has an auto reply set with that message.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I sent them an e-mail directly, from another of my aliases, with these</DIV>
<DIV>instructions. We will see if that</DIV>
<DIV>gets through. Otherwise, we can write to AOL.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, Walt, for looking it up for us."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now perhaps we could have tried harder to make whoever happy, but to this</DIV>
<DIV>point we had largely ignored their repetitious and pointless emails, except</DIV>
<DIV>for a couple of attempts to explain how to deal with THEIR problem.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kevin or whoever fired of the first true rudeness;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:07:32 -0700</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Please remove our address from your computers. Your mail is blocked. Who</DIV>
<DIV>in the hell is Walt and what does he have to do with anything. You tell</DIV>
<DIV>Walt to unsubscribe. His mail has been blocked also. You old farts need</DIV>
<DIV>to get a life and do something besides looking up dead people. Unplug your</DIV>
<DIV>computer and do something with live people. Much more rewarding."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am not going past this point, as has been admitted by several of us we</DIV>
<DIV>returned the kindness, but I would point out that by then we had been</DIV>
<DIV>putting up with a pointless barrage of emails, which since their was in</DIV>
<DIV>truth no real point to much of the discussion that had inspired those replys</DIV>
<DIV>other than flogging the dead horse of "what a pain in the ass viruses and</DIV>
<DIV>spam are" which in fact is highly off topic and for those lists with admin</DIV>
<DIV>types not as forgiving as list Mom would get us all the boot, common</DIV>
<DIV>courtesy dictated we just ignore them. Several of us tried OFF LIST to</DIV>
<DIV>explain to them that only THEY could deal with the email situation. Now by</DIV>
<DIV>and large while the list got increasingly rude, the only really viscious</DIV>
<DIV>thing done was to post their phone number and address, which since Dan knew</DIV>
<DIV>damn good and well none of us were going to use that information</DIV>
<DIV>maliciously, (we prefer to save our malice for snide remarks in here) was no</DIV>
<DIV>big deal.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I kind of wonder if Kevin or whoever was having such a hard time with</DIV>
<DIV>getting all our email and so clueless about what to do with the situation</DIV>
<DIV>even considered the implications of that information being posted. If we had</DIV>
<DIV>really wanted to be jerks somebody could have instituted a real flame attack</DIV>
<DIV>on them and not only royally PO'd them but also brought down their ISP in</DIV>
<DIV>the bargain.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now I put this question to Nancy: since we didn't put them on the list,</DIV>
<DIV>whoever did, and I don't think you can put somebody else on the list but I</DIV>
<DIV>might be wrong, had to know it was a GENEALOGY list, how is that WE are in</DIV>
<DIV>the wrong for getting our dander up over such rudeness after we had ignored</DIV>
<DIV>so much nonsense from thier email address and when Walt tried to help with</DIV>
<DIV>the solution his reward was abuse, I ask you how you can say we were the</DIV>
<DIV>baddies here, in point of fact mostly we made a joke of it and several of us</DIV>
<DIV>went to great lengths to help solve the problem to no avail.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cecil and I had a short discussion of THEIR problem off list, and I am going</DIV>
<DIV>to leave that off list but I just want to advise you we could have been a</DIV>
<DIV>LOT! ruder than we were, with out resorting to scatological humor. It just</DIV>
<DIV>goes back to the old "TACT AND HUMOR" discussion we had a while back where</DIV>
<DIV>some of us tend to shoot from the lip a little too readily, but it's a free</DIV>
<DIV>country and List mom doesn't crack the whip too hard here, as I pointed out</DIV>
<DIV>earlier there are lists where just a glimmer of the virus discusson that T'd</DIV>
<DIV>K&S off so bad would get you the boot, some lists will give you the boot if</DIV>
<DIV>all your emails do not follow a rigid format;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>subject line must includ "surname first all caps" first name middile info if</DIV>
<DIV>known, relevant place name followed by relevant time frame, query must</DIV>
<DIV>follow format</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SURNAME, First Name, Middle info if any; b. (god help you if you write</DIV>
<DIV>"born" ) day month year (screw that up and we won't post your query) must</DIV>
<DIV>have all place info town, county, state, country; ma. (not wed, or marr. or</DIV>
<DIV>mar'd ) date place as b. format . . . . you get the picture? Personally I</DIV>
<DIV>prefer the informallity of this list, sure we babble too much and wander</DIV>
<DIV>afield a bit (like the three hundred or so emails on weather and disasters</DIV>
<DIV>of the past in January) but often those discussion stimulate someone to ask</DIV>
<DIV>a question they were too timid to ask or they forgot they wanted to know or</DIV>
<DIV>whatever.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Some of us "old farts" have memories that . . . . uh what was I talking</DIV>
<DIV>about agein, oh yeah memory; memories that don't work linearly, often these</DIV>
<DIV>list discussion that get "off topic" remind me of some family history thing</DIV>
<DIV>I wanted to share either with the list or my family that I might never have</DIV>
<DIV>remembered otherwise. So folks that don't want to see an occaisonal blizzard</DIV>
<DIV>of email probably should try someplace else, I can recommend a number of</DIV>
<DIV>lists that they would be happy with, I have one list I am on where the only</DIV>
<DIV>email I have had in the last two years were the list moderator telling us he</DIV>
<DIV>had moved his web site or the email address of the list was different. Some</DIV>
<DIV>day I will probably change emial addy again and lose that list simply</DIV>
<DIV>because it is so dead I forget it exists most of the time. What's the point?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SHUT UP LES.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anothe danger at least from me is if I am tired or drunk I am not always as</DIV>
<DIV>tactful as I might be.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good night.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Les C</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV> <A href="mailto:kassing@charter.net">kassing@charter.net</A></DIV>
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