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<DIV>Oh My............been gone for a week and see what has happened on my
favorite list......it seems to me that someone is really pulling your leg. I
really don't believe that Kevin really was part of the list........whenever I
have had a problem unsubscribing from a list, the list mom has done it for me.
If there really had been an attempt to unsubscribe or if the person WAS really
sincere in unsubscribing from the or-roots list all he had to do was follow the
directions given, not come back with rude remarks. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is time to get back to what we do best, dig up the past history of our
families.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jacqueline</DIV>
<DIV>HOWARD, NUMBERS, SHAW, FAWVER AND STONE</DIV>
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<A title=nancydean@columbia-center.org
href="mailto:nancydean@columbia-center.org">Nancy Adams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 02, 2004 7:36
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [or-roots] sick sense of
humor!</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Les Chapman,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>You pick and choose what you wanted
to write on this page. You did not put down all of the E-mails
Kevin received from most of you. You only put a very small
percentage of the cruel things you wrote to him. What a Hypocrite. Not
evened out at all to the real truth, your just trying to make your
selves look as innocent as you can. "Will, Too
late"...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Kevin is dead!..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Your conversation with Cecil, will
I did not see him get on and write Cruel things to Kevin, but some of
you did.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Hey, and Cecil has a computer and
knows how to put his thoughts on here ..Is he hiding behind
you and letting you speak for him? No, Leave him out of it, he did not
say anything bad on list about Kevin, as some of you! Each one
speaks for him or herself, don't speak for others, it means nothing,
they can speak for themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>What do you mean you could have
been a lot ruder, how much ruder could you have got, my god! ..The man
is DEAD.. wake up!. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Some of y</FONT><FONT
face="Georgia Ref" size=2>ou people seen the humor in what you did to
Kevin, a few of us did not see any humor in it at all. You said you see
it as a Joke? What an evil sense of humor you have.. Pure Meanness from
bored people. </FONT><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>The rudeness that
Kevin endured until he died, was not necessary to the extent you carried
it, but you people, I really don't think have a kind bone in
your bored bodies. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Your Question to Nancy?
What is the Question, How weird your writing is.. What were you drinking
now? hmmm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Like you said, "It's a free
country" and I will continue to "speak my peace" "You don't
like it", get off he list or</FONT><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2> just
SHUT UP! like you said at the end of you weird / strange humor/
writings! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Georgia Ref" size=2>Nancy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#8080ff size=1></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#8080ff
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A
href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 08/02/04
00:17:59</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A
href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">Oregon List</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> [or-roots] K
& S chronology</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><SPAN id=receiveimages></SPAN>
<DIV>Since Nancy has so blithely accused us of being rude to K & S
in an</DIV>
<DIV>unprovoked attack I thought I would review the chronology of the
wonderful</DIV>
<DIV>exchange of views.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before I start on that however I must have a helping of crow, I
just checked</DIV>
<DIV>Google and they no longer post name and mailing address when your
name is</DIV>
<DIV>typed in, I guess they got so much flak for it they discontinued
that</DIV>
<DIV>"service".</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Les Chapman <A title=mailto:khanjehgil@presys.com
href="mailto:khanjehgil@presys.com">khanjehgil@presys.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"At approximately 4 p.m. Monday July 26th (I assume PDT, though
the</DIV>
<DIV>archiving format at OR-roots makes that less than clear) whoever
was using K</DIV>
<DIV>& S's email address began sending this message in response to
EVERY post to</DIV>
<DIV>the OR-roots list;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please remove our email address from your computer. All
messages from you</DIV>
<DIV>are now blocked.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks!"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:04:50 EDT which if I remember
right is 11:04 p.m.</DIV>
<DIV>PDT someone attempted to unsubscribe by sending this message in the
body of</DIV>
<DIV>their email;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Please unsubscribe me. Thank You."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At; 7/27/2004 6:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Walt was the first person on the list to respond with the question
and</DIV>
<DIV>advice;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"I have recieved about 10 of these what does this person want. If
they want</DIV>
<DIV>to be removed from the list I don't think this is going to
help.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I suggest following these directions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
title=mailto:_mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe_
href="mailto:_mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe_">_mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe_</A></DIV>
<DIV>(<A
title=mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe
href="mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe">mailto:or-roots-request@sosinet.sos.state.or.us?subject=unsubscribe</A>)
"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>at; Tue 7/27/04 10:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I had to throw in my two bits about the virus discussion and added
a post</DIV>
<DIV>script to K & S as follows;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"P.S. Kevin and Shirlee; you will be relieved of all our babble as
soon as</DIV>
<DIV>you take walts adivce and unsubscribe properly."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:06:07 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>someone, maybe Dan, (when we post thing in html format the archived
letter</DIV>
<DIV>is real gibberish) but I thought it was Verdena? made a comment
about folks</DIV>
<DIV>leaving and suggested it was because the didn't understand
"Oregonianese"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Shortly after; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:20:09 -0700: Pat
posted the following</DIV>
<DIV>note;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Walt and all</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This person has an auto reply set with that message.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I sent them an e-mail directly, from another of my aliases, with
these</DIV>
<DIV>instructions. We will see if that</DIV>
<DIV>gets through. Otherwise, we can write to AOL.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, Walt, for looking it up for us."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now perhaps we could have tried harder to make whoever happy, but
to this</DIV>
<DIV>point we had largely ignored their repetitious and pointless
emails, except</DIV>
<DIV>for a couple of attempts to explain how to deal with THEIR
problem.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kevin or whoever fired of the first true rudeness;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:07:32 -0700</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Please remove our address from your computers. Your
mail is blocked. Who</DIV>
<DIV>in the hell is Walt and what does he have to do with
anything. You tell</DIV>
<DIV>Walt to unsubscribe. His mail has been
blocked also. You old farts need</DIV>
<DIV>to get a life and do something besides looking up dead
people. Unplug your</DIV>
<DIV>computer and do something with live people. Much more
rewarding."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am not going past this point, as has been admitted by several of
us we</DIV>
<DIV>returned the kindness, but I would point out that by then we had
been</DIV>
<DIV>putting up with a pointless barrage of emails, which since their
was in</DIV>
<DIV>truth no real point to much of the discussion that had inspired
those replys</DIV>
<DIV>other than flogging the dead horse of "what a pain in the ass
viruses and</DIV>
<DIV>spam are" which in fact is highly off topic and for those lists
with admin</DIV>
<DIV>types not as forgiving as list Mom would get us all the boot,
common</DIV>
<DIV>courtesy dictated we just ignore them. Several of us tried OFF LIST
to</DIV>
<DIV>explain to them that only THEY could deal with the email situation.
Now by</DIV>
<DIV>and large while the list got increasingly rude, the only really
viscious</DIV>
<DIV>thing done was to post their phone number and address, which since
Dan knew</DIV>
<DIV>damn good and well none of us were going to use that
information</DIV>
<DIV>maliciously, (we prefer to save our malice for snide remarks in
here) was no</DIV>
<DIV>big deal.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I kind of wonder if Kevin or whoever was having such a hard time
with</DIV>
<DIV>getting all our email and so clueless about what to do with the
situation</DIV>
<DIV>even considered the implications of that information being posted.
If we had</DIV>
<DIV>really wanted to be jerks somebody could have instituted a real
flame attack</DIV>
<DIV>on them and not only royally PO'd them but also brought down their
ISP in</DIV>
<DIV>the bargain.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now I put this question to Nancy: since we didn't put them on the
list,</DIV>
<DIV>whoever did, and I don't think you can put somebody else on the
list but I</DIV>
<DIV>might be wrong, had to know it was a GENEALOGY list, how is that WE
are in</DIV>
<DIV>the wrong for getting our dander up over such rudeness after we had
ignored</DIV>
<DIV>so much nonsense from thier email address and when Walt tried to
help with</DIV>
<DIV>the solution his reward was abuse, I ask you how you can say we
were the</DIV>
<DIV>baddies here, in point of fact mostly we made a joke of it and
several of us</DIV>
<DIV>went to great lengths to help solve the problem to no avail.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cecil and I had a short discussion of THEIR problem off list, and I
am going</DIV>
<DIV>to leave that off list but I just want to advise you we could have
been a</DIV>
<DIV>LOT! ruder than we were, with out resorting to scatological humor.
It just</DIV>
<DIV>goes back to the old "TACT AND HUMOR" discussion we had a while
back where</DIV>
<DIV>some of us tend to shoot from the lip a little too readily, but
it's a free</DIV>
<DIV>country and List mom doesn't crack the whip too hard here, as I
pointed out</DIV>
<DIV>earlier there are lists where just a glimmer of the virus discusson
that T'd</DIV>
<DIV>K&S off so bad would get you the boot, some lists will give you
the boot if</DIV>
<DIV>all your emails do not follow a rigid format;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>subject line must includ "surname first all caps" first name
middile info if</DIV>
<DIV>known, relevant place name followed by relevant time frame, query
must</DIV>
<DIV>follow format</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SURNAME, First Name, Middle info if any; b. (god help you if you
write</DIV>
<DIV>"born" ) day month year (screw that up and we won't post your
query) must</DIV>
<DIV>have all place info town, county, state, country; ma. (not wed, or
marr. or</DIV>
<DIV>mar'd ) date place as b. format . . . . you get the
picture? Personally I</DIV>
<DIV>prefer the informallity of this list, sure we babble too much and
wander</DIV>
<DIV>afield a bit (like the three hundred or so emails on weather and
disasters</DIV>
<DIV>of the past in January) but often those discussion stimulate
someone to ask</DIV>
<DIV>a question they were too timid to ask or they forgot they wanted to
know or</DIV>
<DIV>whatever.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Some of us "old farts" have memories that . . . . uh what was I
talking</DIV>
<DIV>about agein, oh yeah memory; memories that don't work linearly,
often these</DIV>
<DIV>list discussion that get "off topic" remind me of some family
history thing</DIV>
<DIV>I wanted to share either with the list or my family that I might
never have</DIV>
<DIV>remembered otherwise. So folks that don't want to see an occaisonal
blizzard</DIV>
<DIV>of email probably should try someplace else, I can recommend a
number of</DIV>
<DIV>lists that they would be happy with, I have one list I am on where
the only</DIV>
<DIV>email I have had in the last two years were the list moderator
telling us he</DIV>
<DIV>had moved his web site or the email address of the list was
different. Some</DIV>
<DIV>day I will probably change emial addy again and lose that list
simply</DIV>
<DIV>because it is so dead I forget it exists most of the time. What's
the point?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SHUT UP LES.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anothe danger at least from me is if I am tired or drunk I am not
always as</DIV>
<DIV>tactful as I might be.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good night.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Les C</DIV></DIV></TD></TR>
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