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<DIV>Leslie: hurahh for you! You are absolutly right!!</DIV>
<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Bob Goodman <BR>USAF Retired <BR>University Place, Washington</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> Please people, this IS a genealogy forum, let us concede that right or wrong <BR>> some folks have an aversion to certain terms and drop their use in public, <BR>> at least within reason. <BR>> <BR>> I am sure that Mr. Barnes was relating this anecdote as he remembered it <BR>> from a time when it would have been politically correct to say it in that <BR>> fashion. <BR>> <BR>> Because many of us Oregonians have not been as exposed to non-white culture <BR>> as others we tend to not be as aware that it is not acceptable in some <BR>> quarters to tell jokes about people stealing more chain than they can swim <BR>> with as maybe we should be. <BR>> <BR>> But folks, lets not use up our bandwidth and GENEALOGY storage space with a <BR>> lot of pointless (because chances you are going to change anyones minds are <BR>> slim and none) arguements and name calling on the subject and get on with <BR>> the genealogy. <BR>> <BR>> Leslie (lilly white honky) Chapman <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us <BR>> [mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us]On Behalf Of Dan M <BR>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:31 PM <BR>> To: or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us <BR>> Subject: Re: [or-roots] mega info <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From the Native American aspect from several Native groups including <BR>> American Indian Movement support group and several other NA people <BR>> * will * tell you that this word should not be used, several places on <BR>> websites and book writers have been ask to revise the use of the word <BR>> because it is a fact NA people frown on this word and it means as previously <BR>> suggested. <BR>> I can bring lots of proof on this because I run over 30 NA groups. <BR>> I also took it to mean as Walt said until I was shown by some elders. <BR>> Dan M <BR>> Genealogy Community <BR>> surnames and NA connections <BR>> www.wvi.com/~wb <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: DAVIESW739@aol.com <BR>> To: or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us <BR>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:21 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [or-roots] mega info <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> In a message dated 2/10/2005 2:25:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, <BR>> CKlooster@aol.com writes: <BR>> Please. Such terms applied to Native American people are extremely <BR>> disrespectful. It hurts me even to read the words. The term "Squaw" is <BR>> itself derived from an obscenity. These are people that you are presumably <BR>> speaking of; father, mother, and child. They had <BR>> names...lineages...ancestors and (probably) descendants. <BR>> <BR>> Carla <BR>> Sorry but you are either miss informed or just a PC person who doesn't care <BR>> about where a word came from just that its not your liking so we should all <BR>> not use it. <BR>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>> "It is as certain as any historical fact can be that the word squaw that the <BR>> English settlers in Massachusetts used for 'Indian woman' in the early 1600s <BR>> was adopted by them from the word squa that their Massachusett-speaking <BR>> neighbors used in their own language to mean 'female, younger woman,' <BR>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>> ----------------------- <BR>> <BR>> OK now jump all over me for putting the truth back in the English language. <BR>> <BR>> Walt Davies <BR>> Cooper Hollow Farm <BR>> Monmouth, OR 97361 <BR>> 503 623-0460 <BR>> -- <BR>> No virus found in this outgoing message. <BR>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. <BR>> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/05 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________ <BR>> or-roots mailing list <BR>> or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us <BR>> http://sosinet.sos.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>