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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have checked out the father. First
he went to </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>California</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> for awhile and was living with his widowed father in the 1920
census. No children were with them. He then subsequently remarried
and had two additional children by his second wife.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is interesting where your people are
from because this guy was living with his parents and brother in </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Whitman County</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Washington</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> in the 1910 census as
was my grandmother’s father and his new wife and step daughter. I
think this may have been where my grandmother met him. She may have gone
to visit her father and met this young man while she was there. She got
pregnant and they married in </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Walla Walla</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> in 1913 when she was 14 years old (no surprise that they got a
divorce a few years later). The little girl was born </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Sept. 11, 1914</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> her name was Verna Marie
Hardwick. My grandmother then had another child about a year later who
was a boy. In 1918 I found her living in </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Portland</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> with her ex-husband’s
brother. This was in a City Directory so I don’t know if the
children were with her or not. The next I find her living with her new
husband (my grandfather, I think) in the 1920 census living in </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Aberdeen</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Washington</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>. By this time she
has changed her name from Venus to Jean and the little girl is not with her.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In 1910 my grandmother and her mother and
siblings were living in Milton-Freewater, </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Umatilla County</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Oregon</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>. I never have
found her divorce from her first husband or her marriage record to her second
husband. If I could find these two records it might tell me a lot.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The name of the father was Noah Hardwick
and his brother is another one that seemed to disappear off the planet after
1918. His name was Jesse Hardwick and he was several years older than his
brother. I think he might have gone to WWI and maybe died, I never can
find him again after 1918. My grandmother’s name was Versey Venus
(Jean) Howell, Hardwick, Flynn, Chedore. She really wasn’t a shady
lady, but I think she may have gotten caught up in the flapper phase of
life. She never would tell me or anyone anything about her past. I
have been digging like crazy for years to find anything I can. I have her
mother’s two divorce papers, her grandmother’s divorce papers and
one of hers but sure would like to get the Hardwick one and the Flynn marriage.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry for such a long post, this is one of
my most frustrating ancestors.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dale</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Kith-n-Kin</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 09, 2005
9:11 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [or-roots]
Redirection of Big Cat discussion</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This may seem too simple,
but have you ruled out that she went with her father? </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I saw that Layne gave you
some clues regarding the archives, maybe that will help.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>By the way, just as a
further example -- my great-grandmother (Lottie Parks) married and had two
daughters by Matt Reid. They were in eastern Oregon in 1870 before the children
were born. By 1880, Lottie has married my great-grandfather (Henry Laramie
Palmer) and they are in Whitman County, Washington, with my grand-aunt, Nettie,
born in Idaho Territory, 1878. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Where were the
girls? I don't know, but the presumption is that they were living with
the paternal grandparents or siblings, but I haven't found them yet. A few
years later they were together with Lottie in Lincoln (then Benton) County. The
eldest, Mollie Reid, actually married her mother's brother-in-law, Henry's
brother Edwin. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>So--do you know anything
about the father, other than he didn't die at the prison? Have you
checked out his siblings?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>What is this child's
name? Maybe we can help.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Pat</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Harguess, Dale</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 09, 2005
09:38<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [or-roots]
Redirection of Big Cat discussion</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->It
would have been in either Umatilla County or Morrow County as that is where she
was living in 1917. Someone on the list found her and her husband with
only one child in an Oregon State Census that I think was on
ancestry.com. I am only assuming that she was put up for adoption because
my grandmother never told anyone about having this oldest daughter or even that
she had been married before my grandfather came along. Her entire family
clammed up about the little girl and some told a story that she was murdered by
her father and that he was hanged in Walla Walla State prison. I have
proved that this is not true. So my final thought is that the big secret
was that she was given up for adoption and that is why I can find no record of
her death or of a burial or anything. She just seemed to drop off the
earth at the age of about 3.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dale</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Kith-n-Kin</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 09, 2005
8:08 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [or-roots]
Redirection of Big Cat discussion</span></font></p>
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>If I can segue into a question that I am hoping someone on the list can
help me with? Does anyone know if there were any official adoptions of
children in the period of 1916 to about 1919? I am looking for a sister
of my mother who was most likely put up for adoption when her mother got
divorced. Dale<</span></font></p>
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size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Where? There
were adoptions (legal) at that time, but (a) not everywhere, and (b) not
always, especially if the child went to a relative.<br>
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Take a look at this: <a href="http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/index.html">http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/index.html</a><br>
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I suggest that if this was an Oregon placement, the people at UofO should be
able to help you, in terms of where to look for these records.<br>
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AND, by the way -- GO 'CATS! Beat the Huskys! Beat the Beavs! Beat the Cougs!
Beat the Ducks!<br>
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[sorry, I got carried away]<br>
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Pat (in Tucson)<br>
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