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<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dale</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have
to chuckle! Not that I have any reason to believe this is the same family,
but consider this:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Lottie
Parks father was George B. W. Parks, born in Greenup County, KY, family moved to
Wayne Co., WV (then VA), across the Big Sandy River. He went in Tipton County,
IN, where he married Lottie's mother, Cynthia Richardson. They moved to Douglas
County, OR in 1853, then to Union County, then to Whitman Co., Wash. Terr. by
1880.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>BUT,
George B. W.'s mother was a Hardwick! Her name was Mary/Polly, father was
"J. Hardwick". So, if'n you think *your* Hardwicks came from eastern Kentucky
and Virginia, maybe there is a connection. I know they family wrote back
and forth to the Parks in WV (two other Parks brothers came about 1880 or so,
one to Benton/Lincoln County, the other to Washington). No reason they couldn't
have been sending "y'all come" to the Hardwicks as well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>BTW,
there are some interesting tombstones for this family in the Colton Cemetery.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I did
find most of your kin in the 1920/30 census, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hmmm</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=624491418-09122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Pat</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=624491418-09122005> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Harguess,
Dale<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 09, 2005 11:10<BR><B>To:</B>
or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [or-roots] Redirection
of Big Cat discussion<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have checked out the
father. First he went to </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">California</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> for awhile and was
living with his widowed father in the 1920 census. No children were with
them. He then subsequently remarried and had two additional children by
his second wife.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is interesting where
your people are from because this guy was living with his parents and brother in
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Whitman
County</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Washington</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> in the 1910 census as
was my grandmother’s father and his new wife and step daughter. I think
this may have been where my grandmother met him. She may have gone to
visit her father and met this young man while she was there. She got
pregnant and they married in </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Walla
Walla</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> in 1913 when she was
14 years old (no surprise that they got a divorce a few years later). The
little girl was born </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sept. 11,
1914</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> her name was Verna
Marie Hardwick. My grandmother then had another child about a year later
who was a boy. In 1918 I found her living in </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Portland</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> with her ex-husband’s
brother. This was in a City Directory so I don’t know if the children were
with her or not. The next I find her living with her new husband (my
grandfather, I think) in the 1920 census living in </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Aberdeen</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Washington</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">. By this time
she has changed her name from Venus to Jean and the little girl is not with
her.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In 1910 my grandmother
and her mother and siblings were living in Milton-Freewater, </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Umatilla
County</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Oregon</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">. I never have
found her divorce from her first husband or her marriage record to her second
husband. If I could find these two records it might tell me a
lot.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The name of the father
was Noah Hardwick and his brother is another one that seemed to disappear off
the planet after 1918. His name was Jesse Hardwick and he was several
years older than his brother. I think he might have gone to WWI and maybe
died, I never can find him again after 1918. My grandmother’s name was
Versey Venus (Jean) Howell, Hardwick, Flynn, Chedore. She really wasn’t a
shady lady, but I think she may have gotten caught up in the flapper phase of
life. She never would tell me or anyone anything about her past. I
have been digging like crazy for years to find anything I can. I have her
mother’s two divorce papers, her grandmother’s divorce papers and one of hers
but sure would like to get the Hardwick one and the Flynn
marriage.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sorry for such a long
post, this is one of my most frustrating ancestors.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dale</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Kith-n-Kin</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 09, 2005 9:11
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [or-roots] Redirection of Big
Cat discussion</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This may
seem too simple, but have you ruled out that she went with her
father? </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I saw that
Layne gave you some clues regarding the archives, maybe that will
help.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By the
way, just as a further example -- my great-grandmother (Lottie Parks) married
and had two daughters by Matt Reid. They were in eastern Oregon in 1870 before
the children were born. By 1880, Lottie has married my great-grandfather (Henry
Laramie Palmer) and they are in Whitman County, Washington, with my
grand-aunt, Nettie, born in Idaho Territory, 1878. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Where were
the girls? I don't know, but the presumption is that they were living with
the paternal grandparents or siblings, but I haven't found them yet. A few years
later they were together with Lottie in Lincoln (then Benton) County. The
eldest, Mollie Reid, actually married her mother's brother-in-law, Henry's
brother Edwin. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So--do you
know anything about the father, other than he didn't die at the prison?
Have you checked out his siblings?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What is
this child's name? Maybe we can help.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Pat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Harguess,
Dale</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 09, 2005
09:38<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [or-roots] Redirection of Big
Cat discussion</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->It
would have been in either Umatilla County or Morrow County as that is where she
was living in 1917. Someone on the list found her and her husband with
only one child in an Oregon State Census that I think was on ancestry.com.
I am only assuming that she was put up for adoption because my grandmother never
told anyone about having this oldest daughter or even that she had been married
before my grandfather came along. Her entire family clammed up about the
little girl and some told a story that she was murdered by her father and that
he was hanged in Walla Walla State prison. I have proved that this is not
true. So my final thought is that the big secret was that she was given up
for adoption and that is why I can find no record of her death or of a burial or
anything. She just seemed to drop off the earth at the age of about
3.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dale</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Kith-n-Kin</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 09, 2005 8:08
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [or-roots] Redirection of Big
Cat discussion</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>>If I can segue into a question that I am hoping
someone on the list can help me with? Does anyone know if there were any
official adoptions of children in the period of 1916 to about 1919? I am
looking for a sister of my mother who was most likely put up for adoption when
her mother got divorced. Dale<</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Where? There
were adoptions (legal) at that time, but (a) not everywhere, and (b) not always,
especially if the child went to a relative.<BR><BR>Take a look at this: <A
href="http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/index.html">http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/index.html</A><BR><BR>I
suggest that if this was an Oregon placement, the people at UofO should be able
to help you, in terms of where to look for these records.<BR><BR>AND, by the way
-- GO 'CATS! Beat the Huskys! Beat the Beavs! Beat the Cougs! Beat the
Ducks!<BR><BR>[sorry, I got carried away]<BR><BR>Pat (in Tucson)<BR><BR><A
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