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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You’re starting to spook me. I
need to look back again at the census that I have found to see if any of
them were from Kentucky, I vaguely remember that they might have been from
Missouri but I know that Jesse was born in Oregon and Noah was born in
Washington. They liked to go by their initials, all except Noah that
is. It took me some looking before I was able to get their actual names,
which leave me at the moment.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Gads, I hate getting old.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dale</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Kith-n-Kin</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 09, 2005
11:42 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [or-roots]
Redirection of Big Cat discussion</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I have to chuckle!
Not that I have any reason to believe this is the same family, but consider
this:</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Lottie Parks father was
George B. W. Parks, born in Greenup County, KY, family moved to Wayne Co., WV
(then VA), across the Big Sandy River. He went in Tipton County, IN, where he
married Lottie's mother, Cynthia Richardson. They moved to Douglas County, OR
in 1853, then to Union County, then to Whitman Co., Wash. Terr. by 1880.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>BUT, George B. W.'s
mother was a Hardwick! Her name was Mary/Polly, father was "J.
Hardwick". So, if'n you think *your* Hardwicks came from eastern Kentucky
and Virginia, maybe there is a connection. I know they family wrote back
and forth to the Parks in WV (two other Parks brothers came about 1880 or so,
one to Benton/Lincoln County, the other to Washington). No reason they couldn't
have been sending "y'all come" to the Hardwicks as well.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>BTW, there are some
interesting tombstones for this family in the Colton Cemetery. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I did find most of your
kin in the 1920/30 census, </span></font></p>
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Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Harguess, Dale</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 09, 2005
11:10<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [or-roots]
Redirection of Big Cat discussion</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have checked out the
father. First he went to California for awhile and was living with his
widowed father in the 1920 census. No children were with them. He
then subsequently remarried and had two additional children by his second wife.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is interesting where
your people are from because this guy was living with his parents and brother
in Whitman County, Washington in the 1910 census as was my grandmother’s
father and his new wife and step daughter. I think this may have been
where my grandmother met him. She may have gone to visit her father and
met this young man while she was there. She got pregnant and they married
in Walla Walla in 1913 when she was 14 years old (no surprise that they got a
divorce a few years later). The little girl was born Sept. 11, 1914 her
name was Verna Marie Hardwick. My grandmother then had another child
about a year later who was a boy. In 1918 I found her living in Portland
with her ex-husband’s brother. This was in a City Directory so I
don’t know if the children were with her or not. The next I find
her living with her new husband (my grandfather, I think) in the 1920 census
living in Aberdeen Washington. By this time she has changed her name from
Venus to Jean and the little girl is not with her.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In 1910 my grandmother
and her mother and siblings were living in Milton-Freewater, Umatilla County,
Oregon. I never have found her divorce from her first husband or her
marriage record to her second husband. If I could find these two records
it might tell me a lot.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The name of the father
was Noah Hardwick and his brother is another one that seemed to disappear off
the planet after 1918. His name was Jesse Hardwick and he was several
years older than his brother. I think he might have gone to WWI and maybe
died, I never can find him again after 1918. My grandmother’s name
was Versey Venus (Jean) Howell, Hardwick, Flynn, Chedore. She really
wasn’t a shady lady, but I think she may have gotten caught up in the
flapper phase of life. She never would tell me or anyone anything about
her past. I have been digging like crazy for years to find anything I
can. I have her mother’s two divorce papers, her grandmother’s
divorce papers and one of hers but sure would like to get the Hardwick one and
the Flynn marriage.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry for such a long
post, this is one of my most frustrating ancestors.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dale</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Kith-n-Kin</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 09, 2005
9:11 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [or-roots]
Redirection of Big Cat discussion</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This may
seem too simple, but have you ruled out that she went with her father? </span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I saw
that Layne gave you some clues regarding the archives, maybe that will help.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>By the
way, just as a further example -- my great-grandmother (Lottie Parks) married and
had two daughters by Matt Reid. They were in eastern Oregon in 1870 before the
children were born. By 1880, Lottie has married my great-grandfather (Henry
Laramie Palmer) and they are in Whitman County, Washington, with my
grand-aunt, Nettie, born in Idaho Territory, 1878. </span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Where
were the girls? I don't know, but the presumption is that they were
living with the paternal grandparents or siblings, but I haven't found them
yet. A few years later they were together with Lottie in Lincoln (then Benton)
County. The eldest, Mollie Reid, actually married her mother's brother-in-law,
Henry's brother Edwin. </span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>So--do
you know anything about the father, other than he didn't die at the
prison? Have you checked out his siblings?</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>What is
this child's name? Maybe we can help.</span></font></p>
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1.0in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Harguess, Dale</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 09, 2005
09:38<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [or-roots]
Redirection of Big Cat discussion</span></font></p>
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would have been in either Umatilla County or Morrow County as that is where she
was living in 1917. Someone on the list found her and her husband with
only one child in an Oregon State Census that I think was on
ancestry.com. I am only assuming that she was put up for adoption because
my grandmother never told anyone about having this oldest daughter or even that
she had been married before my grandfather came along. Her entire family
clammed up about the little girl and some told a story that she was murdered by
her father and that he was hanged in Walla Walla State prison. I have
proved that this is not true. So my final thought is that the big secret
was that she was given up for adoption and that is why I can find no record of
her death or of a burial or anything. She just seemed to drop off the
earth at the age of about 3.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Kith-n-Kin</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 09, 2005
8:08 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [or-roots]
Redirection of Big Cat discussion</span></font></p>
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>If I can segue into a question that I am hoping someone on the list can
help me with? Does anyone know if there were any official adoptions of
children in the period of 1916 to about 1919? I am looking for a sister
of my mother who was most likely put up for adoption when her mother got
divorced. Dale<</span></font></p>
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size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Where? There
were adoptions (legal) at that time, but (a) not everywhere, and (b) not
always, especially if the child went to a relative.<br>
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Take a look at this: <a href="http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/index.html">http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/index.html</a><br>
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I suggest that if this was an Oregon placement, the people at UofO should be
able to help you, in terms of where to look for these records.<br>
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AND, by the way -- GO 'CATS! Beat the Huskys! Beat the Beavs! Beat the Cougs!
Beat the Ducks!<br>
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[sorry, I got carried away]<br>
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Pat (in Tucson)<br>
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