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<DIV>Hi Glen,</DIV>
<DIV>I completely understand... no rush. I'll be looking forward to see what you have and if we can make a connection.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Jack</DIV>
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<DIV>Jack</DIV>
<DIV>Will send some Craig info later, just had an eye exam this morning and the dilation is bothering me working on the computer.</DIV>
<DIV>Glen</DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Glen A. Jones</DIV>
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<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
<DIV>I'd be interested in the info on William Craig as I have a few of that particular Craig (descended from Robert Thomas Craig b. abt. 1719 No. Ireland) branch from Greenbrier Co. and Monroe Co., (W)VA married into my Nickell branch of the family from there also circa 1790s. Nickell's emigrated west to Iowa by 1840 then NE by 1869 and settled in Portland before 1880 then eventually to Lake Creek, Jackson Co., OR by 1900's.</DIV>
<DIV> A lot of that WVA Craig family and Nickell family emigrated to Montgomery Co., KY too. </DIV>
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<DIV>Jack Ciaccia</DIV>
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<DIV>Hello Joseph</DIV>
<DIV>A.H. was a special agent to the Indians, I have the books and Documents (Copies) On that, William Craig was A Mountain Man, he traveled with Joe Meek, Robert Newell, Kit Carson, Joseph Walker, have all the books that he is in.</DIV>
<DIV>One fact I just found this past year was Joe Meek and Robert Newell their wive's were sister's of Wiilliam's wife Pah Tis Sah or Isabel as she was called by the Fur Trappers, Craig was also the first postmaster of Walla Walla.</DIV>
<DIV>A.H. Robie and I have his Probate records owned most of what is now Downtown Boise Id., and 43600 acres of the Malhuer area (Diamond) and a number of Sawmills, he built the first sawmill in Lewiston, and Boise, Robie Creek in the Boise Nat. Forest is named for him as that is where he had a sawmill, as I have mentioned his parents are the real hang up.</DIV>
<DIV>William Craig is his real Name he came from Greenbrier Virginia now West virginia, left their in 1825 and came into what became Oregon Territory in 1829, there are a couple of stories about why he left Virginia, a niece of mine has done a lot of research on his family but does not have it on computer and I have been trying to get her to send it to me, but she has it all packed away and planning on moving before long, the 1855 treaty with the Nez Perce has his donation land claim wrote up in it (Article 10).</DIV>
<DIV>William and Pah Tis Sah are Buried at the Jacques Spur Cemetery in Idaho the cemetery was part of Williams Land Claim and in fact most of the cemetery is relatives, I was up there last year and cleaned it up some hope to go again this year but health may not let me.</DIV>
<DIV>Glen </DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Glen A. Jones</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Joseph Noecker" <jnoecker@qwest.net> <BR>Glen,<BR>Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this. (I have seen Les' subsequent info). I did not find anything about AH Robie working for Palmer, but he may well have. Palmer was appointed by Abernathy, Oregon Territorial Governor, in early 1849 as Indian agent. He was already in Oregon at that time. II Stevens came from Washington (DC) in 1853, when he was appointed first territorial governor of the new Washington Territory. That position also carried the assignment as Director of Indian Affairs for the Washington Territory. Stevens tended to "fudge" his territorial lines so often his troops and staff managed to zig-zag back and forth across the Oregon boarder.<BR><BR>In 1855 Wm Craig was an officer in the Washington Volunteers. In 1856 Stevens sent AH Robie to take a wagon train of supplies to the "freindly" Nez Perez. Stevens was hoping to rally them into fighting along side the volunteers against the non-treaty Nez Perez. Craig headed a detatchment of volunteers, and along with Spotted Eagle and some of his men, served as escort. The Indians were just a bit miffed at Stevens so they turned the wagon train away, but allowed Craig to stay. As you said, he was "married into the Nez Perez family". His father-in-law was Old James. Craig originally came West as a mountain man. I don't know any more about him than that, and many of those mountain men were rather annonymous about their past. I did come across one vague referrence once that William Craig may have been an assumed name. As I say, it was pretty vague so I put it under the catagory of speculation.<BR><BR><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="70"></PRE><BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviate href="mailto:glenkc7mbm@comcast.net" d>glenkc7mbm@comcast.net</A> wrote:
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<DIV>Joseph</DIV>
<DIV>My Great Grandfather's name was Albert Hugh Robie.</DIV>
<DIV>He was appointed special Indian agent by Joel Palmer on his arrival in Oregon, Worked in the Walla Walla Wa.and Lapwai Id. areas Married the Daughter of William Craig My Grt. grt. Grandfather who was and Interpeter for Issac Stevens in his treaty councils, he was also married to Pah Tis Sah the daughter of Chief James of the Nez Perce, Craig was the only white man allowed a Donation land claim on the Nez Perce Reservation and it is in the 1855 Treaty with the Nez Perce.</DIV>
<DIV>Albert moved to the Boise Idaho area about 1860 and is listed as one of the founding fathers of Boise, he also was one of the first cattlemen in Eastern Oregon, The diamond Craters Area of Malhuer is named for the cattle brand he and his partner had, he was selling out to Pete French and the French Glenn Empire when he died at the start of the Bannock War.</DIV>
<DIV>But we have never found out who his parents are and have postings on Ny, Nh, and Mass. roots web boards but no response so far.</DIV>
<DIV>Glen</DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Glen A. Jones</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Joseph Noecker" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:jnoecker@qwest.net"><jnoecker@qwest.net></A> <BR><FONT face=Courier>Glen<BR>What was your gg grandfather's name. I.I. Stevens was first territorial governor of Washington and notorious Indian hater. He was behind the treaty of 1855. Anyway, I have some detailed info on Stevens and names of associates. Don't know if there will be anything the will help you, but...<BR></FONT><BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:glenkc7mbm@comcast.net">glenkc7mbm@comcast.net</A> wrote:
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<DIV>My Brickwall has been my Great Grandfather, he came to Oregon in about 1853 with Issac I Stevens.</DIV>
<DIV>His bio says he was born in Genesee County Ny. in 1833, 1870 Idaho census say's born in New Hampshire, and the death certificate for his Daughter my grandmother says Mass., have been unsuccessful so far in finding him or his Parents, who I am really trying to find, in the 1850 or 1840 census.</DIV>
<DIV>Glen Portland, Or. </DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Glen A. Jones</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Gary Murray" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:gmurray1@cox.net"><gmurray1@cox.net></A> <BR><BR>> i am one of the fortunate ones. my hutchinson line was a brick wall for <BR>> about 25 yrs. then out of the b lue 3 very nice ladies filled me in on this <BR>> line. now this was a line that a distant cousin of mine had all the time. <BR>> he lived in seattle. he would not share anything. i am such a believer in <BR>> sharing everything that i have. i sent a lady most all of my bonney line <BR>> back to adam and eve and she either gave it or sold it to ancestry.com. all <BR>> of a sudden it was all over the internet. i just didn't care. if she <BR>> gleaned all there was for her out of it then to me it was worth it. i have <BR>> spent hundreds of dollars to see if i could get my data and all the pics i <BR>> have out to anyone that wanted them. i will cont inue to do so. my <BR>> hutchinson line went back to elijah dow hutchinson and his birth in 1824 in <BR>> ohio. that is all i had and now thanks to those ladies i have a ton of data <BR>> and charts and a little of everything. i have been in az. 4 years and i <BR>> hope to return to oregon this year where i can continue to research and give <BR>> my time. i personally would like to see everyone do this about once a year. <BR>> if each person finds one male in their line and only half find wives w/ <BR>> maiden names, just stop and think how many of us that would benefit. i have <BR>> every child of jarius and dr. truman bonney. on dr. truman that is as far <BR>> as i cared to go since it is jarius who is my direct. these people had <BR>> 12-14 children and most of them married. same goes for elijah d. <BR>> hutchinson. i do remember the stories on most of these people b ut i turned <BR>> down thousands of pics because they were not my direc t line. i have always <BR>> felt that more people need to "share" rather than worry about giving away <BR>> their hard work. [just my personal opinion] at the moment my gene. program <BR>> will not allow me to copy anything to paper or disk. but when its fixed, <BR>> after i move, then all are welcome to anything i have. i have found a <BR>> copying place that will do the pics. all i have ever asked is that i am <BR>> paid for my outlay of cash. soma do and soma don't. <BR>> gary in az. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Leslie Chapman" <REEDSPORTCHAPMANS @verizon.net=""><BR>> To: <OR-ROOTS @sosinet.sos.state.or.us=""><BR>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:44 PM <BR>> Subject: [or-roots] Brickwalls redux <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >I can understand your frustration Karla, but just let me give you an <BR>> >ex a mple <BR>> > of why mosts lists like to do this little thing, even though it drives a <BR>> > lot <BR>> > of folks nuts who have signed up, often without realizing they have <BR>> > volunteered to recieve unspecified quantities of email from total <BR>> > strangers <BR>> > [and boy are some of us strange] in their inbox. <BR>> > <BR>> > Mosts lists call it simply "Roll Call" the Wheeler list which is another <BR>> > list I am on that has historically been very active though has been slow <BR>> > of <BR>> > late, as much as a week going by without a post, as opposed to my Pierce <BR>> > list which was dissolved because the host refused to allot space to a list <BR>> > that only got a post every year or two. <BR>> > <BR>> > My point is that there may be a Newbie out there who is sitting on their <BR>> > grand-dad's diary that they just happened to look at last week again and <BR>& gt; ; > wondered who the heck all of thos John Smiths were in Podunk that came to <B r="">> > Boring with grandpa, now if it happens to be John smith, John Smith Jr. <BR>> > and <BR>> > John Smith the third from Podunk that moved to Boring with "your grandpa" <BR>> > and you posted that question last year and Mr Newbie isn't curious enough <BR>> > about these folks to do a google or whatever on them, the two of you might <BR>> > not connect, but if Mr Newbie has been lurking here for the last three <BR>> > months and you repost your John Smiths and the name resonate with him <BR>> > enough <BR>> > for him to dig out the diary and reread it, you might have the proverbial <BR>> > "Gold Mine" <BR>> > <BR>> > My personal brick wall is who was the Mrs Barnes that nursed my great <BR>> > grandfather Milan Morell Melvin through an epidemic on the Wagon Train to <BR>> > Wherever the heck the y firs t ca me to (first inof we have hard knowedge is <BR>> > thier residing in Del Norte Co Cal, but no wagon train terminus near <BR>> > there??) <BR>> > <BR>> > But back to my story [now you can see why every tiime I open my mouth at <BR>> > family gatherings somebody stuffs my foot in it] <BR>> > I came on here a year or two ago in answer to a similar complaint about <BR>> > why <BR>> > repost and I threw out one of my dead ends by example, just like the above <BR>> > Mrs Barnes story and one of the people on the list googled my question and <BR>> > there was my answer. Of course I could have gotten that one myself, but I <BR>> > had Googled and dogpiled and ship listed and etc the same problem for <BR>> > hours <BR>> > and hours over a period of years and come up blank. <BR>> > <BR>> > This of course isn't the best example of why we should have a "roll call" <BR>> > now and then, b ut I think you can see my point, I was totally frustrated <BR>> > with that particular fact, had in fact given up on it over a year before <BR>> > and <BR>> > just threw it out there as an example of how frustrating some things can <BR>> > be <BR>> > and was kindly handed a large helping of crow so to speak. <BR>> > <BR>> > So by all means, repost that question, the other thing you have to <BR>> > consider <BR>> > is that some of us have resources that we are either too busy or too lazy <BR>> > to <BR>> > use except on whim, and maybe all of us missed you previous post, or were <BR>> > too busy, but maybe you can catch us with free time, which it looks like I <BR>> > have a lot of but actually don't because wifey has been hovering in the <BR>> > background wiht a list of honeydos since I got on here this morning, but <BR>> > if <BR>> > you post it, I promise within a week I will t ake a stab at it. <BR>> > <BR>> > Les C <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ; -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A> <BR>> > [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">mailto:or-roots-admin@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A>]On Behalf Of <BR>> > <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:karfranw@juno.com">karfranw@juno.com</A> <BR>> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:28 AM <BR>> > To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us">or-roots@sosinet.sos.state.or.us</A> <BR>> > Subject: Re: [or-roots] OREGON ONLY NAMES AND BRICK WALLS <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Hello, the above idea, is all well and good, I agree. But, some members <BR>> > of <BR>> > my family have already done research o n the fami ly na me, and have hit <BR>> > brickwalls no matter where they search. And as far as when this errant <BR>> > antecedent of ours reached Oregon, it is anyone's guess. I could tell you <BR>> > the story but already submitted that when I first subscribed to this <BR>> > list. <BR>> > My brothers and I have come to a conclusion, the old guy was lying through <BR>> > his teeth about <BR>> &g t; his name, because of circumstances. 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