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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Linda, Ray, Albert and all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Linda, I think the company wasn’t truthful with you,
saying they held a copyright to a 1914 poster. At best, I think the copyright
ran out long ago. Now, maybe they somehow have a copyright for some form of the
image, but not the original poster.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Stephen Fishman, in his “The Public Domain:</span><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How to Find and Use
Copyright-free Writings, Music, Art & More” says, “Rule #1:
Everything published in the United States before 1923 is in the Public Domain.
Copy protection on every work of authorship published before 1923 has expired
and all those works are now in the public domain in the United States. This is
so whether the work was first published in the United States or was originally
published outside the United States and republished here.” </span><b><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><a
href="http://tinyurl.com/5vfnfl">http://tinyurl.com/5vfnfl</a> </span></b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But, the book in question (copyright 1972 and still in effect), is
not the best source for the images, copyright or no copyright.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Albert would be better served to either go to the source and scan
the 1851 map, or have someone do it for him, or ask if they have it already
scanned. I just Googled the map, and found it is not at the Archives at all,
but at OSU:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Gibbs, George and Edward A. Starling 1851. <u>Sketch of the
Wallamette Valley</u>. Prepared for US Board of Commissioners appointed to
treat with the Indians of Oregon. Several copies of various scales located in
the Oregon State University Valley Library Map Room, Corvallis, Oregon: 1
sheet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><a
href="http://osulibrary.oregonstate.edu/research/guides/maps/maproom.htm">http://osulibrary.oregonstate.edu/research/guides/maps/maproom.htm</a>
<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><a
href="http://oasis.oregonstate.edu/search?/Xgibbs&searchscope=8&SORT=DZ/Xgibbs&searchscope=8&SORT=DZ&extended=0&SUBKEY=gibbs/1%2C2%2C2%2CB/frameset&FF=Xgibbs&searchscope=8&SORT=DZ&2%2C2%2C">http://oasis.oregonstate.edu/search?/Xgibbs&searchscope=8&SORT=DZ/Xgibbs&searchscope=8&SORT=DZ&extended=0&SUBKEY=gibbs/1%2C2%2C2%2CB/frameset&FF=Xgibbs&searchscope=8&SORT=DZ&2%2C2%2C</a>
<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Now, the reason for using the original map. Older, and even
current, printed pictures were done with dot screens, and do not reproduce well.
Unless one extensively Photoshops the pixilation out of the image, it will have
a moiré effect when printed again. Even if you don’t see it on the
screen. I had to do this for some obituary photos given to my cousin, out of
old newspapers that he cousin needed for a publication. It’s a real pain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Another good resource for historic maps is <a
href="http://www.davidrumsey.com/">http://www.davidrumsey.com/</a> although I
do not find the 1851 map on it. I have received permission from Mr Rumsey in
the past to copy portions of maps for publication purposes, giving him credit,
of course. In this case, many of the maps are from NARA and LOC, but
non-the-less, he holds copyright to the digitized images.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is a “Johnson’s
Washington and Oregon” dated 1860 which might do. There are also “Map
of a Reconnoissance between Fort Leavenworth on the Missouri River, and the
Great Salt Lake in the Territory of Utah, made in 1849 and 1850…”<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“</span><a
href="http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-1418-100158&name=Lower+Oregon+and+Upper+California."><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Map Of Lower Oregon
and Upper California from the latest and Most Authentic Surveys Published by
Thomas Tennent, at the Surveying & Navigation Warehouse Sign of "The
Wooden Sailor." San Francisco. 1853. California. Lith. by Alex: Zakreski
Cor. Washington & Monty. Entered ... 1853, by Thomas Tennent ...
California.</span></b></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>These maps can be downloaded. Use the “new Luna Browser”
(Insight doesn’t much like Vista, I think). Once you find a map you like,
click “Printer Friendly” on the right side. From there (oh, use “Ctrl
click” if you have popup issues), scroll down to “Full Image
Download in MrSID Format” (if you don’t have MrSID, download it
from the link below the map) Once you get all this done (just took me about 15
minutes to install MrSID, and open the file), move to the part you want, then
click on Export, and choose what you want to export – the whole image, or
just part of it. You can save it as a TIF file.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Now, if you can use the Insight Browser, it is much simpler, as
you can export right from the program, and not mess with MrSID. I preferred it,
but can no longer use it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>At any rate, you can then write to Mr. Rumsey and get permission
to use the book. The ones I used were for a “family” book, not a “Oprah’s
book of the month” commercial book, and that’s what I told him. No
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Good luck,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Pat (in Tucson)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us] <b>On Behalf Of </b>LinLouVan@aol.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Historical maps - 1851 Willamette Valley<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>In a message dated 8/24/2008 8:30:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rayp6217@comcast.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>For myself, I do not plan to publish anything, but as for the
possible copy of the 1851 map for another lister, I can find no original
copyright holder to contact. What little I know (or think I know) about
copyright law, would indicate that the map, itself, has become public domain
even if it was originally copyrighted. If anyone has any further info
oncopyright and the length of time a copyright lasts and if and how many times
it can be renewed, I think it would be pertinent to Oregon genealogy as all of
us are always making photocopies of pictures and documents for our research and
a few even plan to publish their work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>As I understood the original requester, it was for a photocopy of
a map from a copyrighted book.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Even though the map itself might have been a government map and in
the public domain, the book<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>itself (or that particular compilation of maps) was copyrighted.
That copyright would last 50 years <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>past the author's death -- or 75 years, unless renewed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>The other thing the original requester stated was that this was to
go into a work that is being<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>published. There is where the care needs to be taken. Copying a
single page from a book for one's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>personal genealogy (with proper citations) is usually classed as
"fair use". However, publishing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>is quite another thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I am certainly not a copyright authority, but I do have at my
genealogy desk a copy of "The Copyright<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Handbook, How to protect & Use Written Works" by attorney
Stephen Fishman, Fourth Edition published in 1997.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Recently in our community, there was interest in using a
lithographed fair poster from a 1914 event,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>altering the image and using it as new. I just happened to see
that it originally came from Fair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Publishing Co., went on line and found that the company started in
1880 and has been continuously<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>in business since that time. I contacted them and, indeed they
still own the rights to that lithographed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>image. They would reproduce and sell it to us again, but we could
not reproduce and alter it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Linda VanOrden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It's only a deal if it's where <i>you</i>
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