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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks
to all for the clarifications on the Hawthorne and the Asylum!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The
Oregon Archives has the “Asylum/Hawthorne” records listed at their
website. However when I just tried to bring up a record, nothing came up.
Perhaps they are undergoing some updating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However,
doing a broader search, I found:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://genealogy.state.or.us/detail.php?id=512553">McCullough,
T.</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>6/10/1899<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Death<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>no county<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>State Hospital<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Vol. 1G<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://genealogy.state.or.us/detail.php?id=512638">McCullough,
V. R.</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3/31/1900<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Death<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>no county<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>State Hospital<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Vol. 1G<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nothing
about whether they were in Hawthorne and transferred, but the actual “asylum/Hawthorne”
records would probably indicate that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
went to the Asylum records at the Archives once, based on a record in the
Archives website, and found the “log” (as I recall) of admissions,
reason for admission, discharge, reason for discharge – and of course,
the record number.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
know you already have more information, directly from the hospital – I just
mentioned this as a “starting point” for others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The
Archives address is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://genealogy.state.or.us/">http://genealogy.state.or.us/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In
Tucson <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 18, 2009 9:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> or-roots mail list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank
you for the clarification. Both Van and his wife Thirza McCullough were
buried there. She died June 1 1899 and he died March 31 1900. So they were dug
up, cremated and lived in the basement when the film "One Flew Over The
Cuckoo's Nest " was made. </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Are
they proposing to do away with the Memorial Circle or just what is going
on? </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The
hospital kept very good information on the deaths of the patients and I
received from them the information on the death and numbers from them. I cannot
find for sure but believe they are in vault 6.</span><span style='font-family:
"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>So
the release of names must come from the hospital records. It would help to
account for all the patients who died there. The labels may not be legible but
the hospital records would be and were cross referenced to the vaults.</span><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank
you, Mimi</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Susie</span><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:MStang5165@aol.com" title="MStang5165@aol.com">MStang5165@aol.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us"
title="or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:14 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'>I am familiar with the book you cited - in fact, Sue Bell is a
friend. But note that the title is the "Asylum Cemetery." It
concerns the old cemetery there - the bodies were removed, cremated
and placed in the canisters - and documented. I believe that this is just a
small number of the cremains that are actually held by the Oregon State
Hospital.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'>If you do a Google search for "cremains at Oregon State
Hospital" you will get 2,600 hits! The one from the New York Times (quoted
from The Oregonian) is quite good and gives the number as 3,489 cremains
that are there in canisters. And the notation that many of the labels are
no longer legible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'>The Public Notice in the Statesman Journal gives the following:
Family members may report their objection to the publication of a relative's
information by contacting DHS at: <a href="mailto:oshcremains@state.or.us">oshcremains@state.or.us</a>.
However, I have tried using this URL a number of times and it does not
seem to work! Never brings up an Oregon State Hospital web
site. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman Baltic","serif";
color:black'>
Mimi Stang<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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