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Hi, I have been working on my husband's lines out of IN. Maybe others are doing same. Take care to have a great day!!!!! Laura<br><br>From: or-roots-request@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Subject: or-roots Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:22:14 -0700<br><br><pre>Send or-roots mailing list submissions to<br> or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br> <br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots">http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> or-roots-request@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br> <br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> or-roots-owner@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br> <br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of or-roots digest..."<br></pre><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:37:30 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br><br><br><br><br><style>
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</style><br><br><br>Does anybody know good books, articles, or other information on the history of poor farms in Multnomah County, other than Edgefield which opened in 1911 in Troutdale?<br><br><br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px;">-----Original Message----- <br>From: ilightle2@hotmail.com <br>Sent: Sep 17, 2009 7:44 AM <br>To: or-roots mail list <br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails? <br><br><br><div><font face="Arial">I'm getting emails sporadically but wonder if it's one way. I'm stalled out so haven't had much to contribute.</font></div></blockquote><pre><br><br>________________________________________<br>PeoplePC Online<br>A better way to Internet<br>http://www.peoplepc.com</pre><br><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: psinjun@yahoo.com<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:57:47 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br><br><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; -x-system-font: none;" valign="top">Well, I have located mine in Oregon but just am not able to prove the date of her death. It gets very frustrating. All the family trees I have found list her date of death as 9 March 1893 but no one seems to know where they found it or if it is accurate. <br><br>Emma Kellogg Langworthy (sometimes Longworthy - with or without the "y") died while an inmate at the Hawthorn Insane Asylum. She was apparently buried there and when everyone was moved, created and put into storage her cremains seem to be among the ones that lost labels. <br><br>The Oregon State Hospital people have been helpful as have all the places they sent me for info but nothing is forthcoming. Apparently she died before regular records were kept and the Asylum records are long gone. No full record of her commitment or her death. Someone here helped me<br> find an ab breviated record of her commitment but that is all so far,<br><br>I haven't found anything on her husband, Andrew Jackson Langworthy who left her there and moved back to Michigan with eight kids, later to marry his niece and move to Missouri.<br><br><br>Penny<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 9/16/09, lschiendel <i><lschiendel@aol.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: lschiendel <lschiendel@aol.com><br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br>To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us><br>Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:47 PM<br><br><div class="ecxplainMail">
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I've been watching also. Very very quiet. Maybe everyone has found their relatives.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Lillian</font></div>
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<br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:33:49 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br><br><br><br><br><style>
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</style><br><br><br>Was the asylum a public or private one? In Multnomah County? Mult. Co. has county archives...<br><br><br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px;">-----Original Message----- <br>From: Penny/Leigh <br>Sent: Sep 17, 2009 3:57 PM <br>To: or-roots mail list <br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails? <br><br><br><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><br><tbody><br><tr><br><td valign="top">Well, I have located mine in Oregon but just am not able to prove the date of her death. It gets very frustrating. All the family trees I have found list her date of death as 9 March 1893 but no one seems to know where they found it or if it is accurate. <br><br>Emma Kellogg Langworthy (sometimes Longworthy - with or without the "y") died while an inmate at the Hawthorn Insane Asylum. She was apparently buried there and when everyone was moved, created and put into storage her cremains seem to be among the ones that lost labels. <br><br>The Oregon State Hospital people have been helpful as have all the places they sent me for info but nothing is forthcoming. Apparently she died before regular records were kept and the Asylum records are long gone. No full record of her commitment or her death. Someone here helped me find an ab breviated record of her commitment but that is all so far,<br><br>I haven't found anything on her husband, Andrew Jackson Langworthy who left her there and moved back to Michigan with eight kids, later to marry his niece and move to Missouri.<br><br><br>Penny<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 9/16/09, lschiendel <i><lschiendel@aol.com></i></b> wrote:<br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: lschiendel <lschiendel@aol.com><br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br>To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us><br>Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:47 PM<br><br><br><div class="ecxplainMail"><br><div><font face="Arial" size="2">I've been watching also. Very very quiet. Maybe everyone has found their relatives.</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial">Lillian</font></div><br><div> </div><a href="http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots"></a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br></blockquote><pre><br><br>________________________________________<br>PeoplePC Online<br>A better way to Internet<br>http://www.peoplepc.com</pre><br><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: psinjun@yahoo.com<br>To: pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com; or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:36:53 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br><br><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; -x-system-font: none;" valign="top">Hawthorn Insane Asylum is now the Oregon State Hospital and is in Lane County. I have spent hours on the phone and countless hours in research. I am open to any suggestions. I am in Michigan so can't just run to an Oregon library but have been very fortunate to find helpful people at nearly every turn. <br><br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 9/17/09, Paulette <i><pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Paulette <pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com><br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br>To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us><br>Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 4:33 PM<br><br><div id="ecxyiv970998845">
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Was the asylum a public or private one? In Multnomah County? Mult. Co. has county archives...<br><br><br>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px;">-----Original Message----- <br>From: Penny/Leigh <br>Sent: Sep 17, 2009 3:57 PM <br>To: or-roots mail list <br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails? <br><br>
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<td valign="top">Well, I have located mine in Oregon but just am not able to prove the date of her death. It gets very frustrating. All the family trees I have found list her date of death as 9 March 1893 but no one seems to know where they found it or if it is accurate. <br><br>Emma Kellogg Langworthy (sometimes Longworthy - with or without the "y") died while an inmate at the Hawthorn Insane Asylum. She was apparently buried there and when everyone was moved, created and put into storage her cremains seem to be among the ones that lost labels. <br><br>The Oregon State Hospital people have been helpful as have all the places they sent me for info but nothing is forthcoming. Apparently she died before regular records were kept and the Asylum records are long gone. No full record of her commitment or her death. Someone here helped me find an ab breviated record of her commitment but that is all so<br> far,<br><br>I haven't found anything on her husband, Andrew Jackson Langworthy who left her there and moved back to Michigan with eight kids, later to marry his niece and move to Missouri.<br><br><br>Penny<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 9/16/09, lschiendel <i><lschiendel@aol.com></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: lschiendel <lschiendel@aol.com><br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br>To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us><br>Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:47 PM<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I've been watching also. Very very quiet. Maybe everyone has found their relatives.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Lillian</font></div>
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<br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: MStang5165@aol.com<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us; pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:52:20 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><font id="ecxrole_document" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><br><div>The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same as <br>the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in Lane <br>County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in the <br>movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced with <br>new buildings.</div><br><div> </div><br><div>According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public <br>Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland in <br>1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened. </div><br><div> </div><br><div>The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the Oregon <br>State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in the <br>Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the individuals <br>whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital." ..."Shall <br>disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and death of <br>persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the department for the <br>purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim the cremated remains <br>and creating a memorial for those persons whose cremated remains are not <br>claimed."</div><br><div> </div><br><div>What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer <br>have a label that is legible or a label at <br>all. <br>Mimi Stang</div></font><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: madrake@techline.com<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:03:51 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><style>
</style><br><br><br><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="5">This is interesting I wonder if Norbert <br>is one of them?</font></div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">----- Original Message ----- </div><br> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>From:</b> <br> <a title="MStang5165@aol.com" href="mailto:MStang5165@aol.com">MStang5165@aol.com</a> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title="or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a> <br> ; <a title="pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com" href="mailto:pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com">pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com</a> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52 <br> PM</div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am <br> I missing emails?</div><br> <div><br></div><font id="ecxrole_document" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><br> <div>The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same <br> as the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in <br> Lane County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in <br> the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced <br> with new buildings.</div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public <br> Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland <br> in 1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened. </div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the <br> Oregon State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in <br> the Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the <br> individuals whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital." <br> ..."Shall disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and <br> death of persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the <br> department for the purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim <br> the cremated remains and creating a memorial for those persons whose <br> cremated remains are not claimed."</div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer <br> have a label that is legible or a label at <br> all. <br> Mimi Stang</div></font><br> <br> <BR><hr><br><br> <BR>_______________________________________________<br>or-roots mailing <br> list<br>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots<br><br> <br> <BR><hr><br><br> <BR><br>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>Checked by AVG - <br> www.avg.com <br>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release <br> Date: 09/17/09 15:55:00<br></blockquote><br><hr>I am using the Free version of <a href="http://www.spamfighter.com/len">SPAMfighter</a>.<br>We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam.<br>SPAMfighter has removed 768 of my spam emails to date.<br>The Professional version does not have this message.<br><br><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: rayp6217@comcast.net<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:28:25 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><style>
</style><br><br><br><div><font face="Arial" size="2">How about changing the subject line, <br>please?</font></div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">----- Original Message ----- </div><br> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><b>From:</b> <br> <a title="madrake@techline.com" href="mailto:madrake@techline.com">Marilyn <br> Drake</a> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title="or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots mail list</a> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:03 <br> PM</div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am <br> I missing emails?</div><br> <div><br></div><br> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="5">This is interesting I wonder if <br> Norbert is one of them?</font></div><br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">----- Original Message ----- </div><br> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><b>From:</b> <br> <a title="MStang5165@aol.com" href="mailto:MStang5165@aol.com">MStang5165@aol.com</a> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title="or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a> <br> ; <a title="pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com" href="mailto:pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com">pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com</a> <br> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52 <br> PM</div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or <br> am I missing emails?</div><br> <div><br></div><font id="ecxrole_document" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><br> <div>The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same <br> as the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in <br> Lane County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used <br> in the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be <br> replaced with new buildings.</div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public <br> Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in <br> Portland in 1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened. <br> </div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the <br> Oregon State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice <br> in the Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the <br> individuals whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital." <br> ..."Shall disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and <br> death of persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the <br> department for the purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to <br> claim the cremated remains and creating a memorial for those persons <br> whose cremated remains are not claimed."</div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no <br> longer have a label that is legible or a label at <br> all. <br> Mimi Stang</div></font><br> <br> <BR><hr><br><br> <BR>_______________________________________________<br>or-roots mailing <br> list<br>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots<br><br> <br> <BR><hr><br><br> <BR><br>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>Checked by AVG - <br> www.avg.com <br>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release <br> Date: 09/17/09 15:55:00<br></blockquote><br><br> <hr><br> I am using the Free version of <a href="http://www.spamfighter.com/len">SPAMfighter</a>.<br>We are a community <br> of 6 million users fighting spam.<br>SPAMfighter has removed 768 of my spam <br> emails to date.<br>The Professional version does not have this message.<br><br> <br> <BR><hr><br><br> <BR>_______________________________________________<br>or-roots mailing <br> list<br>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots<br><br> <br> <BR><hr><br><br> <BR><br>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>Checked by AVG - <br> www.avg.com <br>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release <br> Date: 09/17/09 15:55:00<br></blockquote><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: familyismytreasure@comcast.net<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:51:13 -0700<br>Subject: [or-roots] Please change the subject line<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><style>
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</style><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="ecxSection1"><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Palatino Linotype" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; color: blue;">Yes, please<br>DO change the subject line. Many of us scan subject lines to see if an item is<br>of interest before we open or delete it. We don’t want to miss all your<br>good stuff!</span></font></p><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Palatino Linotype" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; color: blue;"> </span></font></p><br><br><div><br><br><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><hr width="100%" align="center" size="3"><br><br></span></font></div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>[mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ray Powell<br><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 17, 2009<br>8:28 PM<br><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> or-roots<br> mail list<br><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow<br>or am I missing emails?</span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">How about changing the subject line,<br>please?</span></font><font color="black" face="Times New Roman Baltic"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman Baltic'; color: black;"></span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color black; border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 3pt; margin-left: 3pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div style=""><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> <a href="mailto:madrake@techline.com" title="madrake@techline.com">Marilyn Drake</a><br></span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">To:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> <a href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" title="or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots mail list</a> </span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:03 PM</span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?</span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman Baltic'; color: black;"> </span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="5"><span style="font-size: 18pt; color: black;">This is interesting I wonder if Norbert is<br>one of them?</span></font><font color="black" face="Times New Roman Baltic"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman Baltic'; color: black;"></span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color black; border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 3pt; margin-left: 3pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div style=""><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> <a href="mailto:MStang5165@aol.com" title="MStang5165@aol.com">MStang5165@aol.com</a><br></span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">To:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> <a href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" title="or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a><br>; <a href="mailto:pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com" title="pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com">pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com</a><br></span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52 PM</span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?</span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br><div><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman Baltic'; color: black;"> </span></font></p><br><br></div><br><br></blockquote><br><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font id="ecxrole_document" color="black" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman Baltic'; color: black;">The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland<br>and is not</span></font><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman Baltic"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman Baltic'; color: blue;"> …</span></font><font color="black" face="Times New Roman Baltic"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman Baltic'; color: black;"></span></font></p><br><br></blockquote><br><br></div><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: whizinc@comcast.net<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:39:24 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="ecx088083204-18092009">Hi Mimi,</span></div><br><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="ecx088083204-18092009">How do we find out the <br>names on that list?</span></div><br><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="ecx088083204-18092009">Thanks,</span></div><br><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="ecx088083204-18092009">Ronda</span></div><br><br><div dir="ltr" class="ecxOutlookMessageHeader" align="left" lang="en-us"><br><hr><br><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us <br>[mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us] <b>On Behalf Of <br></b>MStang5165@aol.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52 <br>PM<br><b>To:</b> or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us; <br>pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I <br>missing emails?<br></font><br></div><br><div></div><font id="ecxrole_document" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><br><div>The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same as <br>the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in Lane <br>County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in the <br>movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced with <br>new buildings.</div><br><div> </div><br><div>According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public <br>Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland in <br>1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened. </div><br><div> </div><br><div>The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the Oregon <br>State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in the <br>Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the individuals <br>whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital." ..."Shall <br>disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and death of <br>persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the department for the <br>purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim the cremated remains <br>and creating a memorial for those persons whose cremated remains are not <br>claimed."</div><br><div> </div><br><div>What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer <br>have a label that is legible or a label at <br>all. <br>Mimi Stang</div></font><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: rgust@netwtc.net<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:27:37 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><style>
</style><br><br><br><div><font face="Arial">The Asylum Cemetery is a book published by Susan Bell in <br>1991.Published by the Willamette Valley Genealogical Society P.O. Cox 2083 <br>Salem Oregon 97308</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><br><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><br><div><font face="Arial">As my GG grandfather is buried there I hired a researcher <br>to find him and she sent me information from that book. On page 3 it states <br>until such time as the State was able to afford the establishment of an asylum <br>in Salem, it would be state policy to use the facilities of the recently open <br>Hawthorne Asylum in Portland. In the fall of 1880 the Oregon State Legislature <br>appropriated $100,000. for the building of the Oregon State Insane Asylum. <br>Page 4 has a notice of the completion and invited the public to inspect the <br>premise in the fall of 1883 with a notice in the paper dated October 24 <br>1883.</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><br><div><font face="Arial">On page 9 the Daily Oregonian carried an eyewitness <br>account of the transfer by train of male patients from Portland's Hawthorne <br>Asylum to their new home in Salem. (For details on the day's events, as well as <br>lists of the patients transferred to Salem that day and the next, see "Beaver <br>Briefs, " Vol 23 pp 21-24.</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><br><div><font face="Arial">In 1913 the name was changed to the Oregon State <br>Hospital.Page 12 tells of the bill S.B. 109 of the deposition of the <br>bodies.If not claimed within one week of death shall be delivered by the <br>officers of such institution for consumption at the crematory and the <br>ashes sent to the relatives or other persons having an interest in the deceased <br>if requested.</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><br><div><font face="Arial">Section 3 All remains of persons who have heretofore died, <br>as inmates of the Oregon State Insane Asylum, and which have been buried in the <br>burying ground belonging to said institution, shall be exhumed and cremated in <br>said crematory and all monuments marking the graves of such persons, shall be <br>removed and placed in some suitable place on the Cottage Farm.</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial"> </font></div><br><div><font face="Arial">Page 15 For the remainder of the Cemetery's previous <br>residents, their last resting place became the basement of the Adolescent Ward <br>until 19 76 when all were place in vaults in the Memorial Circle on the <br>hospital grounds. Each receptacle is numbered and cross-referenced.</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><br><div><font face="Arial">Patient 637 and his wife patient 595 are in a vault in the <br>Memorial Circle. </font></div><br><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><br><div><font face="Arial">I would be most interested in following the information <br>about the release of names </font>in the Statesman Journal </div><br><div><font face="Arial">Thank you ,</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial">Susie in Iowa</font></div><br><div>----- Original Message ----- </div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"><br> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><b>From:</b> <br> <a title="MStang5165@aol.com" href="mailto:MStang5165@aol.com">MStang5165@aol.com</a> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title="or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a> <br> ; <a title="pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com" href="mailto:pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com">pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com</a> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:52 <br> PM</div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am <br> I missing emails?</div><br> <div><br></div><font id="ecxrole_document" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><br> <div>The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same <br> as the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in <br> Lane County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in <br> the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced <br> with new buildings.</div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public <br> Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland <br> in 1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened. </div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the <br> Oregon State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in <br> the Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the <br> individuals whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital." <br> ..."Shall disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and <br> death of persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the <br> department for the purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim <br> the cremated remains and creating a memorial for those persons whose <br> cremated remains are not claimed."</div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer <br> have a label that is legible or a label at <br> all. <br> Mimi Stang</div></font><br> <br> <BR><hr><br><br> <BR>_______________________________________________<br>or-roots mailing <br> list<br>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots<br></blockquote><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: MStang5165@aol.com<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:14:40 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><font id="ecxrole_document" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><br><div>I am familiar with the book you cited - in fact, Sue Bell is a friend. <br>But note that the title is the "Asylum Cemetery." It concerns the old <br>cemetery there - the bodies were removed, cremated and placed in the <br>canisters - and documented. I believe that this is just a small number of the <br>cremains that are actually held by the Oregon State Hospital.</div><br><div> </div><br><div>If you do a Google search for "cremains at Oregon State Hospital" you will <br>get 2,600 hits! The one from the New York Times (quoted from The <br>Oregonian) is quite good and gives the number as 3,489 cremains that are <br>there in canisters. And the notation that many of the labels are no longer <br>legible.</div><br><div> </div><br><div>The Public Notice in the Statesman Journal gives the following: Family <br>members may report their objection to the publication of a relative's <br>information by contacting DHS at: <a href="mailto:oshcremains@state.or.us">oshcremains@state.or.us</a>. <br> However, I have tried using this URL a number of times and it does not <br>seem to work! Never brings up an Oregon State Hospital web <br>site. </div><br><div> <br>Mimi Stang</div></font><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: LinLouVan@aol.com<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:24:33 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><font id="ecxrole_document" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><br><div><br><div>In a message dated 9/18/2009 8:20:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, <br>MStang5165@aol.com writes:</div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3">The Public Notice in the Statesman Journal gives <br> the following: Family members may report their objection to the publication of <br> a relative's information by contacting DHS at: <a title="mailto:oshcremains@state.or.us" href="mailto:oshcremains@state.or.us">oshcremains@state.or.us</a>. <br> However, I have tried using this URL a number of times and it does not <br> seem to work! Never brings up an Oregon State Hospital web <br> site. </font></blockquote></div><br><div></div><br><div>The probable reason you do not get a website is that this is an email <br>address -- NOT a URL link.</div></font><br><br><br>--Forwarded Message Attachment--<br>From: pmml@meritel.net<br>To: or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us; pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com<br>Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:32:40 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><style>
</style><br><br><br><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Of intrest here is people often were clasified as <br>insane with physical problems that affected mentation. Diabetics, <br>Syphalis's</font></div><br><div><font face="Arial" size="2">etc. </font></div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">----- Original Message ----- </div><br> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><b>From:</b> <br> <a title="MStang5165@aol.com" href="mailto:MStang5165@aol.com">MStang5165@aol.com</a> </div><br> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><strong></strong> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title="or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a> <br> ; <a title="pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com" href="mailto:pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com">pswitzertatum@peoplepc.com</a> </div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52 <br> PM</div><br> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am <br> I missing emails?</div><br> <div><br></div><font id="ecxrole_document" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman Baltic" size="3"><br> <div>The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same <br> as the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in <br> Lane County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in <br> the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced <br> with new buildings.</div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public <br> Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland <br> in 1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened. </div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the <br> Oregon State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in <br> the Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the <br> individuals whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital." <br> ..."Shall disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and <br> death of persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the <br> department for the purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim <br> the cremated remains and creating a memorial for those persons whose <br> cremated remains are not claimed."</div><br> <div> </div><br> <div>What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer <br> have a label that is legible or a label at <br> all. <br> Mimi Stang</div></font><br> <br> <BR><hr><br><br> <BR>_______________________________________________<br>or-roots mailing <br> list<br>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<br>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots<br></blockquote><br> </body>
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