<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Thanks Linda; Roy tells me that was what a donkey puncher was called back in the day, it's even in the dictionary if I had looked up, of course there it is more generic and just says it is anyone who engineers a motor that doesn't move. I should have checked Mac, but usually GNIS has it if he has it so Vesper kind of surprised me. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>While I am thinking about surprises I did think to check out what Mac had to say about Chapman Hill over north of West Salem.
Don't know who it was named for but I know he wasn't kin, or at least not close enough we know about him. My version of McArthur doesn't have Chapman Butte in in Lane County it though, but maybe I need to get in touch with the son and let him know the history.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Les C</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Linda Wiley
<oregontrail1851@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> or-roots mail list <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:59 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [or-roots] Stationery engineer<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id="yiv1578349096"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><span>Les, "Oregon Geographic Names" byClatsop County.Lewis A. McArthur, says this about Vesper: "Vesper is not now a post office, although it has been in the past. It is in the Nehalem Valley. It is said to have been named by William Johnston for the evening star... Vesper post office was established Jan. 30, 1879, with Johnston as first postmaster. It was then on the Clatsop County list, but near the east boundary of the county. At times the post office was in Columbia County, depending upon who was postmaster. It was fully closed on Nov. 30, 1919."</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Fishawk Creek runs into the Nehalem River near the same location as Vesper it appears. There are 2 reeks by this name--one in the extreme western part of Columbia County and the other flows into Beneke Creek at Jewell. The Fishawk P.O. operated from 1890 to 1910. It was close to the mouth of the stream. The area is now served by the Birkenfeld P.O. In 1917 another P.O. was established at a locale named Fish Hawk in the east part of Clatsop County but discontinued the same year. It was probably on the short section of Fishawk Creek that loops into eastern Clatsop County. This information also from McArthur's book.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Linda<br></span></div><br><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Leslie Chapman <opera_70@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> or-roots mail list <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:34 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [or-roots] Stationery engineer<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv1578349096"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">Here's a poser for you; in the 1920 Census Saginaw, Lane co Precinct my Aunt Hazel's widowed brother in law Lee Montieth (Monteith?) is listed in column 26 as an engineer not specified of what and in column 27<br>which is supposed to be the industry or whatever is the word Stationery. </div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yiv1578349096yui_3_7_2_18_1364440006655_62"><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yiv1578349096yui_3_7_2_18_1364440006655_62">The reason I am concerned is I find on Family Search WW I draft cards; Thomas Lee
Monteith b 1888 NC who lists himself as a Donkey Engineer and that he is sole support of a four year old child, it seems like enough evidence to associate Thomas of the draft card with Lee of Saginaw, but why the heck didn't he get listed as a Logging or Donkey Engineer in the census? </div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yiv1578349096yui_3_7_2_18_1364440006655_62"><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yiv1578349096yui_3_7_2_18_1364440006655_62">In the draft registration he lists he is working for Fishhawk Logging in Fishhawk which unless I assume historic place doesn't narrow it down to much more than northern end of the state. I wonder if the daughter is left with grandma and grandpa all the time and Lee just calls that home because he migrates with the logging camps? Some day I really should look into trying to trace
my closer
relatives and the
logging camps they inhabited. Of course considering how little we have learned so far about the one right under out noses I may not get far. </div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yiv1578349096yui_3_7_2_18_1364440006655_62"><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yiv1578349096yui_3_7_2_18_1364440006655_62">He lists Vesper or Visper as residence and I get nothing for that name off of GNIS, anybody heard of such a place?</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yiv1578349096yui_3_7_2_18_1364440006655_62"><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yiv1578349096yui_3_7_2_18_1364440006655_62">Les C</div> </div> </div></div></div><br>_____________________________________________________<br>or-roots
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