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<P>you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another</P>
<P>Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions</P>
<P>if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State <BR>Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue</P>
<P>but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves</P>
<P>get there info.</P>
<P>Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed</P>
<P>time expires then are transfered to the State Archives.</P>
<P>Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the</P>
<P>record and you must prove you are an immediate family member,</P>
<P>an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or</P>
<P>parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written</P>
<P>letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through</P>
<P>this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info.</P>
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<P>I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one</P>
<P>reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by</P>
<P>the Oregon Heritage Commission.</P>
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<P>Glen Jones</P>
<P>Portland Oregon <BR></P>
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<B>From: </B>"Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net><BR><B>To: </B>"or-roots mail list" <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us><BR><B>Sent: </B>Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [or-roots] HB 2093<BR><BR>Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm<BR>pretty sure they don't care what I think.<BR><BR>More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" The<BR>only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges<BR>"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the<BR>cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses<BR>"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them.<BR><BR>The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for<BR>storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place<BR>for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty<BR>cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and<BR>postage.)<BR><BR>Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you<BR>"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is<BR>no problem. <BR><BR>As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel<BR>all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go<BR>there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit<BR>cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.<BR><BR>The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless<BR>there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). <BR><BR>By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the<BR>Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have<BR>grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the<BR>"information" that is being cried about is there! <BR><BR>Pat<BR>In Tucson<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<BR>[mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of W David<BR>Samuelsen<BR>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM<BR>To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon<BR>Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093<BR><BR>To all,<BR><BR>The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.<BR><BR>Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.<BR><BR>https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924<BR><BR>Still in need of few more tweaking.<BR><BR>1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State<BR>Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. <BR>Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia<BR>changed from 125 to 105.<BR><BR>2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the<BR>uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against<BR>identity theft. Wisconsin do this.<BR><BR>3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau.<BR>What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill<BR>is?<BR><BR>4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records<BR>as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity<BR>theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.<BR><BR>5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like<BR>several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for<BR>marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100),<BR>Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.<BR><BR>6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet<BR>Age.<BR><BR>W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian<BR>_____________________________________________________<BR>or-roots mailing list<BR>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<BR>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots<BR>Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for<BR>content.<BR>Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or<BR>the sender of the message, by phone or email.<BR>Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.<BR><BR>_____________________________________________________<BR>or-roots mailing list<BR>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us<BR>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots<BR>Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content.<BR>Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email.<BR>Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.<BR></div></body></html>