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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Glen Jones<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> or-roots mail list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] HB 2093<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State <br>Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>get there info.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>time expires then are transfered to the State Archives.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>record and you must prove you are an immediate family member,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>the Oregon Heritage Commission.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>Glen Jones<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>Portland Oregon <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=zwchr></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:black'>"Kith-n-Kin" <<a href="mailto:Kith-n-Kin@cox.net">Kith-n-Kin@cox.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"or-roots mail list" <<a href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [or-roots] HB 2093<br><br>Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm<br>pretty sure they don't care what I think.<br><br>More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" The<br>only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges<br>"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the<br>cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses<br>"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them.<br><br>The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for<br>storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place<br>for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty<br>cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and<br>postage.)<br><br>Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you<br>"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is<br>no problem. <br><br>As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel<br>all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go<br>there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit<br>cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.<br><br>The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless<br>there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). <br><br>By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the<br>Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have<br>grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the<br>"information" that is being cried about is there! <br><br>Pat<br>In Tucson<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a><br>[<a href="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a>] On Behalf Of W David<br>Samuelsen<br>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM<br>To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon<br>Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093<br><br>To all,<br><br>The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.<br><br>Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.<br><br><a href="https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924">https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924</a><br><br>Still in need of few more tweaking.<br><br>1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State<br>Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. <br>Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia<br>changed from 125 to 105.<br><br>2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the<br>uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against<br>identity theft. Wisconsin do this.<br><br>3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau.<br>What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill<br>is?<br><br>4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records<br>as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity<br>theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.<br><br>5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like<br>several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for<br>marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100),<br>Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.<br><br>6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet<br>Age.<br><br>W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian<br>_____________________________________________________<br>or-roots mailing list<br><a href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</a><br><a href="http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots">http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots</a><br>Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for<br>content.<br>Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or<br>the sender of the message, by phone or email.<br>Technical questions? 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