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<P>the policians want to ramit down our throats.</P>
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<P>Glen Jones<BR><BR></P>
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<B>From: </B>"l horine" <l.horine@comcast.net><BR><B>To: </B>"or-roots mail list" <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us><BR><B>Sent: </B>Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [or-roots] HB 2093<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state. As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions -
<DIV>Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them. </DIV>
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<B>From: </B>"Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net><BR><B>To: </B>"or-roots mail list" <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us><BR><B>Sent: </B>Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [or-roots] HB 2093<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Glen Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> or-roots mail list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [or-roots] HB 2093</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State <BR>Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">get there info.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">time expires then are transfered to the State Archives.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">record and you must prove you are an immediate family member,</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">the Oregon Heritage Commission.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">From: </SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">"Kith-n-Kin" <<A href="mailto:Kith-n-Kin@cox.net" target=_blank>Kith-n-Kin@cox.net</A>><BR><B>To: </B>"or-roots mail list" <<A href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target=_blank>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</A>><BR><B>Sent: </B>Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [or-roots] HB 2093<BR><BR>Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm<BR>pretty sure they don't care what I think.<BR><BR>More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" The<BR>only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges<BR>"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the<BR>cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses<BR>"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them.<BR><BR>The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for<BR>storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place<BR>for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty<BR>cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and<BR>postage.)<BR><BR>Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you<BR>"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is<BR>no problem. <BR><BR>As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel<BR>all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go<BR>there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit<BR>cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.<BR><BR>The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless<BR>there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). <BR><BR>By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the<BR>Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have<BR>grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the<BR>"information" that is being cried about is there! <BR><BR>Pat<BR>In Tucson<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target=_blank>or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</A><BR>[<A href="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target=_blank>mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</A>] On Behalf Of W David<BR>Samuelsen<BR>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM<BR>To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon<BR>Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093<BR><BR>To all,<BR><BR>The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.<BR><BR>Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.<BR><BR><A href="https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924" target=_blank>https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924</A><BR><BR>Still in need of few more tweaking.<BR><BR>1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State<BR>Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. <BR>Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia<BR>changed from 125 to 105.<BR><BR>2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the<BR>uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against<BR>identity theft. Wisconsin do this.<BR><BR>3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau.<BR>What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill<BR>is?<BR><BR>4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records<BR>as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity<BR>theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.<BR><BR>5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like<BR>several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for<BR>marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100),<BR>Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.<BR><BR>6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet<BR>Age.<BR><BR>W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian<BR>_____________________________________________________<BR>or-roots mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target=_blank>or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us</A><BR><A href="http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots" target=_blank>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots</A><BR>Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for<BR>content.<BR>Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or<BR>the sender of the message, by phone or email.<BR>Technical questions? 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