<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19222">I've found many errors on tombstones--dates wrong, names misspelled, etc. My own great grandfather's name isn't</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19229"> spelled correcting on his 1897 tombstone in Silverton. Parents names are routinely wrong on older death certificates. The published sites are a place to start, not to end.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19067"><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19020"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19346" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19345"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19344"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19343"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19347" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dale Harguess <daleharguess4@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> or-roots mail list <or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 10, 2018 2:10 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [or-roots] Gary Murray, the Hutchinson Soper line is my Grandma Rena Hutchinson Reynolds side her mom was Clara Lee Hutchinson Soper<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19348"><br><div id="yiv4347693296"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19350"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19349">I would like the death date to be the same as the death date on the tombstone. As one example. I also would like all of the children to be listed, and often they are but not always. I am not nit picking. I only look at my own ancestors who I have been doing research on for over 25 years and have already got the information I need, but when Ancestry has a hint which includes findagrave I always look at it. That's all.</div><div id="yiv4347693296DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br clear="none">
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</td></tr></tbody></table><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://mail.yahoo.com/?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"></a></div><div class="yiv4347693296gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19368"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv4347693296gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19369">On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 1:25 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bfain@frontiernet.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:bfain@frontiernet.net">bfain@frontiernet.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv4347693296gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19373"><div class="yiv4347693296yqt7159646624" id="yiv4347693296yqt04025"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19372" lang="EN-US"><div class="yiv4347693296m_-7078716085044926500WordSection1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19371"><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19370">How many sources do you want to take information as fact? What do want, birth certificate and death certificate?<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520718992047_19374"><u></u> <u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><span class="yiv4347693296"><b>From:</b> or-roots <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots-bounces@listsmart. osl.state.or.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Harguess<br clear="none"></span><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 10, 2018 9:19 AM</div><div><div class="yiv4347693296h5"><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> or-roots mail list <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state. or.us</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Gary Murray, the Hutchinson Soper line is my Grandma Rena Hutchinson Reynolds side her mom was Clara Lee Hutchinson Soper<u></u><u></u></div></div><div></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296h5"><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">I didn't mean to infer that the submitter's were bad. I know a lot of submitter's personally and they are extremely thorough in what they submit. Unfortunately, like "one size" doesn't fit all there are some that are not so accurate. I think it has gotten a lot worse since Ancestry bought them. They have a tendency to mess everything up, like when they bought Heritage Quest. I used to use them constantly but now I never do.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Dale<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 8:41 AM, <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bfain@frontiernet.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:bfain@frontiernet.net">bfain@frontiernet.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Dale, <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">May I call you Dale? You are right, Find a Grave is tool. Ancestry.com is a tool. The US Federal Census Records is a tool, however bad the information is. This site is a tool where people submit their information. I don’t know if what is submitted is good or bad. I have at time a problem with the way they provide it without a source. I like reading their input. As a family researcher, I use all the tool I can to gain information on my family. <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Too bad you think “Find A Grave” often has bad information. I am a submitter and have created many records for my family. When I find wrong information I submitted a correction and it either fixed or a reason is given when not changed. <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">I always used information I have first-hand knowledge. <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Have a great research day. <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Babe J. Pickler Pierce Fain<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> or-roots <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots-bounces@listsmart. osl.state.or.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Harguess<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 9, 2018 6:42 AM<u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> or-roots mail list <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state. or.us</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Gary Murray, the Hutchinson Soper line is my Grandma Rena Hutchinson Reynolds side her mom was Clara Lee Hutchinson Soper<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">You have to be careful with findagrave, often they have bad information. It is a tool but not the last one to use.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Dale<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div id="yiv4347693296m_-7078716085044926500m_-1104317822165665216DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><table class="yiv4347693296m_-7078716085044926500MsoNormalTable yahoo-compose-table-card" style="border:none;border-top:solid #d3d4de 1.0pt;" border="1" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;" width="55"><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon"><span style="text-decoration:none;"><img id="yiv4347693296m_-7078716085044926500m_-1104317822165665216_x005f_x0000_i1025" style="width:.4791in;min-height:.302in;" src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif" data-id="e78feebc-63c9-9261-11a8-a366c527da4c" width="46" height="29" border="0"></span></a><u></u><u></u></div></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt 75.0pt;" width="470"><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Virus-free. <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link"><span style="color:#4453ea;">www.avast.com</span></a> </span><u></u><u></u></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:34 AM, <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bfain@frontiernetnet" target="_blank" href="mailto:bfain@frontiernetnet">bfain@frontiernet.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Have you check the ”Find A Grave” Web site? I find many of my family grave site there and sometime an obituary is uploaded. I found my 8<sup>th</sup> paternal great grandmother Anna Barbara Schone Blaankenbaker Fleischmann Schlucter on that site.<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">You can also request photos of the memorial site. Good Luck<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Good Luck<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">B Fain<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal">Searching for Pickler, Robbins, McDowall, Conquest, Kirk.<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> or-roots <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots-bounces@listsmart. osl.state.or.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Frances Vlahos Rohm<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 7, 2018 8:22 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> or-roots mail list <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state. or.us</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [or-roots] Gary Murray, the Hutchinson Soper line is my Grandma Rena Hutchinson Reynolds side her mom was Clara Lee Hutchinson Soper<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div><div id="yiv4347693296m_-7078716085044926500m_-1104317822165665216m_1033770616148124573divtagdefaultwrapper"><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Gary Murray may have been in contact with my maternal grandmother Hazel Frances Shaver Vlahos about her biological mother. Her biological mother was Nettie Hutchinson. Her first name may have actually been Nancy but I dont know. She was briefly married to Ulysses Grant Shaver (son of Francis Marion Shaver and Nancy Turnbull(?) Shaver) and gave birth to Hazel and Clifford Shaver. The marriage did not last long. Any other information about Hutchinsons and/or Shavers would be appreciated. Frances Vlahos-Rohm</span><u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;" align="center"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"></span><hr width="98%" size="2" align="center"></div><div id="yiv4347693296m_-7078716085044926500m_-1104317822165665216m_1033770616148124573divRplyFwdMsg"><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="color:black;"> or-roots <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots-bounces@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots-bounces@listsmart. osl.state.or.us</a>> on behalf of Cheryl Anderson <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cheranderson1993@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:cheranderson1993@gmail.com">cheranderson1993@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 6, 2018 3:55 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state. or.us</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [or-roots] Gary Murray, the Hutchinson Soper line is my Grandma Rena Hutchinson Reynolds side her mom was Clara Lee Hutchinson Soper</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv4347693296MsoNormal"><br clear="none">______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">or-roots mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:or-roots@listsmart.osl.state.or.us">or-roots@listsmart.osl.state. or.us</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots">http://listsmart.osl.state.or. us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots</a><br clear="none">Hosted by the State Library of Oregon. 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