[gis_info] Expectations of the Government GIS Community

Greg and Ericka Newkirk g.e.newkirk at msn.com
Wed Oct 17 07:25:14 PDT 2012

We need to get Jim off this listserv. His comments are unhelpful and he fails to respect the needs and purposes of this forum.

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Jim
Sent: 10/16/2012 11:33 PM
To: Rachel Smith; gis_info at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Subject: Re: [gis_info] Expectations of the Government GIS Community

See below on a citizen d submission that was not posted.

On Oct 15, 2012 9:48 AM, "Jim" <mrnewdaddy at gmail.com> wrote:

> The thing is that, this has been happening for 10 years.  We have
> committees, meetings, task forces.  We have policy makers pushing frame
> works and standards.  We have confrences where attendees are constantly
> asking where GIS is going.  We have software makers leading this pack of
> sheep!  And biggest of all there is no enforcement.  Folks should be mad as
> hell at all of the waste. Over and over both in groups as well as
> individual agencies this stuff gets hashed out time and time again with
> massive waste streams happening concurrently.  Even a better picture is how
> each agency has has the ability to charge what they think is appropriate
> which is greatly different from one agency to the next and often times not
> in the correct coordinate system for Oregon.  So they charge me, the
> citizen twice, for a service that I already pay for and then it's not
> interoperable.  That's like buying a TV with only half of the channels
> working.  Furious and you should be too...
>  On Oct 15, 2012 8:37 AM, "Rachel Smith" <rachel.smith at dogami.state.or.us>
> wrote:
>> Jim,****
>> ** **
>> Lucky for GIS practitioners, engineers aren't the only group of
>> individuals we support. I don't think I need to explain how and why GIS is
>> needed, and all of the individuals or groups that need and use GIS and the
>> data we create.  But if so, then I'm sure there will be plenty of people
>> who are on this list to add to that discussion.****
>> ** **
>> Your points are good ones and they are exactly what many of us discuss on
>> a regular basis.  Distribution and sharing of data, duplication of data
>> creation, authoritative sets of data, etc... are all issues that we're
>> trying to work out and are indeed a struggle for all of the agencies.  But
>> even though we haven't found a solution to these issues, that does not mean
>> that we have no professional ethics. There are no easy solutions otherwise
>> we would have implemented them by now.  ****
>> ** **
>> I certainly don't have all of the answers, but I can tell you that we're
>> well aware of these problems and are continually working to find better
>> avenues/platforms/portals for distributing and sharing data, and working to
>> increase the awareness of GIS related activities that are happening across
>> the agencies to prevent duplication of effort.****
>> ** **
>> Rachel****
>> ** **
>> Rachel Lyles Smith, GISP****
>> Project Operations Manager****
>> Geologic Survey & Services****
>> ** **
>> Oregon Department of Geology & Mineral Industries****
>> 800 NE Oregon St. #28, Suite 965****
>> Portland, OR 97232****
>> 971-673-0481 direct****
>> 971-673-1555 main****
>> 971-673-1562 fax****
>> http://www.oregongeology.org/sub/default.htm****
>> ** **
>> *From:* gis_info-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:
>> gis_info-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] *On Behalf Of *Jim
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:06 PM
>> *To:* gis_info at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> *Subject:* [gis_info] Expectations of the Government GIS Community****
>> ** **
>> How many times are each agency: City, County, State, and Federal
>> processing, creating, storing, backing up, generating and purchasing
>> maintenance contracts on software while working on the same geospatial
>> data?  Building footprints is a simple example.  Another more relevant
>> issue is Lidar.  How many times is a DEM, DTM, or DSM is being generated
>> from the very same players and why, it just needs to get built once.  If I
>> procured a DEM from each level of government and compared the similarities
>> and differences between them what would the standard deviations, if any.*
>> ***
>> Citizens, like members of this list, expect that the geospatial community
>> is following professional ethics and following good judgement when it comes
>> to expending taxpayer funds.****
>> I talk with the IT folks and they tell me that a position (a Gee Spot)
>> they call it, is something that never changes but what does is the
>> complexity of the software that is supposed to organize it.  Sure they say,
>> over beers, that there is relatively minor changes to the built
>> environment, sure there are some.  The changes to the 5% of the total
>> inventory does not warrent 95% of the business strategy including support.
>> They site that the cost to serve geospatial is the most costly of most of
>> the data IT is responsable for and because of that cost and the complexitys
>> really warrants a different approach, they said paper maps were not such a
>> bad idea, and prior to GIS engineers were doing just fine.****
>> Jim****
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