[or-roots] Redirection of Big Cat discussion

Fri Dec 9 13:10:08 PST 2005

You're starting to spook me.  I need to look back again at the census
that I have found to see if any  of them were from Kentucky, I vaguely
remember that they might have been from Missouri but I know that Jesse
was born in Oregon and Noah was born in Washington.  They liked to go by
their initials, all except Noah that is.  It took me some looking before
I was able to get their actual names, which leave me at the moment.

Gads, I hate getting old.

Dale

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Dale

I have to chuckle!  Not that I have any reason to believe this is the
same family, but consider this:

Lottie Parks father was George B. W. Parks, born in Greenup County, KY,
family moved to Wayne Co., WV (then VA), across the Big Sandy River. He
went in Tipton County, IN, where he married Lottie's mother, Cynthia
Richardson. They moved to Douglas County, OR in 1853, then to Union
County, then to Whitman Co., Wash. Terr. by 1880.

BUT, George B. W.'s mother was a Hardwick!  Her name was Mary/Polly,
father was "J. Hardwick". So, if'n you think *your* Hardwicks came from
eastern Kentucky and Virginia, maybe there is a connection.  I know they
family wrote back and forth to the Parks in WV (two other Parks brothers
came about 1880 or so, one to Benton/Lincoln County, the other to
Washington). No reason they couldn't have been sending "y'all come" to
the Hardwicks as well.

BTW, there are some interesting tombstones for this family in the Colton
Cemetery. 

I did find most of your kin in the 1920/30 census, 

Hmmm

Pat

 -----Original Message-----
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Dale
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:10
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I have checked out the father.  First he went to California for awhile
and was living with his widowed father in the 1920 census.  No children
were with them.  He then subsequently remarried and had two additional
children by his second wife.

It is interesting where your people are from because this guy was living
with his parents and brother in Whitman County, Washington in the 1910
census as was my grandmother's father and his new wife and step
daughter.  I think this may have been where my grandmother met him.  She
may have gone to visit her father and met this young man while she was
there.  She got pregnant and they married in Walla Walla in 1913 when
she was 14 years old (no surprise that they got a divorce a few years
later).  The little girl was born Sept. 11, 1914 her name was Verna
Marie Hardwick.  My grandmother then had another child about a year
later who was a boy.  In 1918 I found her living in Portland with her
ex-husband's brother.  This was in a City Directory so I don't know if
the children were with her or not.  The next I find her living with her
new husband (my grandfather, I think) in the 1920 census living in
Aberdeen Washington.  By this time she has changed her name from Venus
to Jean and the little girl is not with her.

In 1910 my grandmother and her mother and siblings were living in
Milton-Freewater, Umatilla County, Oregon.  I never have found her
divorce from her first husband or her marriage record to her second
husband.  If I could find these two records it might tell me a lot.

The name of the father was Noah Hardwick and his brother is another one
that seemed to disappear off the planet after 1918.  His name was Jesse
Hardwick and he was several years older than his brother.  I think he
might have gone to WWI and maybe died, I never can find him again after
1918.  My grandmother's name was Versey Venus (Jean) Howell, Hardwick,
Flynn, Chedore.  She really wasn't a shady lady, but I think she may
have gotten caught up in the flapper phase of life.  She never would
tell me or anyone anything about her past.  I have been digging like
crazy for years to find anything I can.  I have her mother's two divorce
papers, her grandmother's divorce papers and one of hers but sure would
like to get the Hardwick one and the Flynn marriage.

Sorry for such a long post, this is one of my most frustrating
ancestors.

Dale

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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:11 AM
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This may seem too simple, but have you ruled out that she went with her
father? 

I saw that Layne gave you some clues regarding the archives, maybe that
will help.

By the way, just as a further example -- my great-grandmother (Lottie
Parks) married and had two daughters by Matt Reid. They were in eastern
Oregon in 1870 before the children were born. By 1880, Lottie has
married my great-grandfather (Henry Laramie Palmer) and they are in
Whitman County, Washington, with my grand-aunt, Nettie, born in Idaho
Territory, 1878. 

Where were the girls?  I don't know, but the presumption is that they
were living with the paternal grandparents or siblings, but I haven't
found them yet. A few years later they were together with Lottie in
Lincoln (then Benton) County. The eldest, Mollie Reid, actually married
her mother's brother-in-law, Henry's brother Edwin.  

So--do you know anything about the father, other than he didn't die at
the prison?  Have you checked out his siblings?

What is this child's name? Maybe we can help.

Pat

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Dale
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 09:38
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It would have been in either Umatilla County or Morrow County as that is
where she was living in 1917.  Someone on the list found her and her
husband with only one child in an Oregon State Census that I think was
on ancestry.com.  I am only assuming that she was put up for adoption
because my grandmother never told anyone about having this oldest
daughter or even that she had been married before my grandfather came
along.  Her entire family clammed up about the little girl and some told
a story that she was murdered by her father and that he was hanged in
Walla Walla State prison.  I have proved that this is not true.  So my
final thought is that the big secret was that she was given up for
adoption and that is why I can find no record of her death or of a
burial or anything.  She just seemed to drop off the earth at the age of
about 3.

Dale

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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:08 AM
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>If I can segue into a question that I am hoping someone on the list can
help me with?  Does anyone know if there were any official adoptions of
children in the period of 1916 to about 1919?  I am looking for a sister
of my mother who was most likely put up for adoption when her mother got
divorced. Dale<

Where?  There were adoptions (legal) at that time, but (a) not
everywhere, and (b) not always, especially if the child went to a
relative.

Take a look at this: http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/index.html

I suggest that if this was an Oregon placement, the people at UofO
should be able to help you, in terms of where to look for these records.

AND, by the way -- GO 'CATS! Beat the Huskys! Beat the Beavs! Beat the
Cougs! Beat the Ducks!

[sorry, I got carried away]

Pat (in Tucson)

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