[or-roots] Old Native Oregonian DNA

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Diane__  Thanks for the info:
I did my B.S. in Professional Geology at Oregon State University ( graduated Class of '51).  My Major Prof was a great guy named "Doc" Wilkenson.  We did Field work near John Day and camped right on a branch of the John Day River.  We actually found Coprolites in the Painted Valley along the John Day river.  Interestingly enough I ended up as a Meteorologist with a Masters degree from MIT and a nearly completed disertation at the University of Utah.

--
Bob Goodman 
USAF Retired 
Tacoma, WA

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From: "Diane" <whitehillranch at centurytel.net> 

If this quote from the web site (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Paisley+caves+coprolite)   is a sample of the findings of the rest of the scientific study, then the whole study is a pile of hooey.  "The site, Paisley 5 Mile Point Cave, is located in a perfect spot to support the Pre-Clovis Pacific coast migration theory of American colonization: in the hinterlands of what is Oregon today, upriver from the Pacific coast along the Klamath River."  

The site is not upriver from the Pacific coast along the Klamath River.  The caves are not anywhere near the Klamath River.  

The caves lie within the western edge of the Great Basin.  The Klamath River is many miles to the west.  The closest waterway is the Chewaucan River.  And, many locals wonder if the findings are exactly that old.....the caves have been a fascination for locals over the generations, and many a local relieved themselves in the caves.  

The climate here is severe.  Tradition relates that the earlier residents migrated around the area, foraging for substance.  No permanent settlements.  

I can see the caves, in the distance, from my kitchen window.  

Diane
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From: Chris & Bill Strickland 
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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: [or-roots] Old Native Oregonian DNA


Sorta genealogical, rather pre-historic, certainly Oregonian -- courtesy of my sister, and a Paisley raised cousin --


Paisley is now world renowned!  As it turns out, how the world thinks about when, who and how the continent of North America was settled may be decided by a pile of [remains] found in the Five Mile caves near Paisley.  This is pretty interesting [stuff]!  Copy and paste the link below for the best discussion about it that I could find.  (Thanks, Cousin Jinny, for bringing it to our attention.)  It's a little disappointing that this is what "puts Paisley on the map" but ...  
Jerry 

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/coprolites/ 
  <>
What it says is that humans were in the Americas about 14,300 years ago, "almost 1,500 years before the earliest agreed-upon evidence for human presence in the Americas. 'For the first time, we are actually radio-carbon dating human remains that are pre-Clovis," Jenkins says. "There are older radiocarbon dates on sites in North America, but not directly on human remains.' " 

More from Googling Paisley caves coprolite -- http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Paisley+caves+coprolite , esp the www.uoregon.edu<> link -- Go Beavers!

Bill Strickland





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