[or-roots] Old Native Oregonian DNA

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Bob - 
It sounds like you're referring to the Painted Hills Unit of the John Day  
Fossil Beds National Monument. It's part of the National Park Service &  can be 
found at: _www.nps.gov/joda/_ (http://www.nps.gov/joda/)    .  I just did a 
search for "Painted Hills" +John Day, Oregon and  found much information and 
wonderful photos of this interesting area.   Yes, Central Oregon is great for 
geologists, and this dry desert area preserved  many artifacts.
Gerrie
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2008 12:23:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
dgoodma02 at comcast.net writes:

Diane__  Thanks for the info:
I did my B.S. in Professional Geology at Oregon State University (  graduated 
Class of '51).  My Major Prof was a great guy named "Doc"  Wilkenson.  We did 
Field work near John Day and camped right on a branch  of the John Day River. 
 We actually found Coprolites in the Painted  Valley along the John Day 
river.  Interestingly enough I ended up as a  Meteorologist with a Masters degree 
from MIT and a nearly completed  disertation at the University of Utah.
 
--
Bob Goodman 
USAF Retired  
Tacoma, WA
 

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From: "Diane"  <whitehillranch at centurytel.net> 
If this quote from the web site  
(_http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Paisley+caves+coprolite_ 
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Paisley+caves+coprolite)  ) )  



is  a sample of the findings of the rest of the scientific study, then the 
whole  study is a pile of hooey.  "The site, Paisley 5 Mile Point Cave, is  
located in a perfect spot to support the Pre-Clovis Pacific coast migration  
theory of American colonization: in the hinterlands of what is Oregon today,  
upriver from the Pacific coast along the Klamath  River."   

The site is not upriver from the  Pacific coast along the Klamath River.  The 
caves are not anywhere  near the Klamath River.  
 
The caves lie within the western  edge of the Great Basin.  The Klamath River 
is many miles to the  west.  The closest waterway is the Chewaucan River.  
And, many  locals wonder if the findings are exactly that old.....the caves have 
been a  fascination for locals over the generations, and many a local 
relieved  themselves in the caves.  
 
 
The climate here is severe.   Tradition relates that the earlier residents 
migrated around the area,  foraging for substance.  No permanent settlements.   


I can see the caves, in the  distance, from my kitchen window.  
 
Diane

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From:  _Chris & Bill Strickland_ (mailto:lechevrier at earthlink.net)   
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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008  8:35 AM
Subject: [or-roots] Old Native  Oregonian DNA


Sorta genealogical, rather pre-historic, certainly  Oregonian -- courtesy of 
my sister, and a Paisley raised cousin --


 
Paisley is now world renowned!  As it turns out, how the  world thinks about 
when, who and how the continent of North America  was settled may be decided 
by a pile of [remains] found in the Five  Mile caves near Paisley.  This is 
pretty interesting  [stuff]!  Copy and paste the link below for the best  
discussion about it that I could find.  (Thanks, Cousin Jinny,  for bringing it to 
our attention.)  It's a little disappointing  that this is what "puts Paisley on 
the map" but ...   
Jerry 
 
_http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/coprolites/_ 
(http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/coprolites/)  
<>
What it says is that humans were in  the Americas about 14,300 years ago, 
"almost 1,500 years before the  earliest agreed-upon evidence for human presence 
in the Americas. 'For the  first time, we are actually radio-carbon dating 
human remains that are  pre-Clovis," Jenkins says. "There are older radiocarbon 
dates on sites in  North America, but not directly on human remains.' " 

More from  Googling Paisley caves coprolite -- 
_http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Paisley+caves+coprolite_ 
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Paisley+caves+coprolite)   , esp the _www.uoregon.edu_ (http://www.uoregon.edu/) <> 
link -- Go Beavers!

Bill Strickland






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