[or-roots] MM Melvin and the O & C RR

Fri Mar 6 20:59:06 PST 2009

My father Glenn Patrick lost his left arm on January 1,1916 while working as a
fireman as a result of a railroad wreck on the O & C railroad near Winchester, 
Oregon.The collision was between trains of the Southern Pacific R R.
I have a picture of a O&C craine trying to put Dads engine back on line .
Anyone know any more about this.?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net 
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  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [or-roots] MM Melvin and the O & C RR

  The Spokane, Portland, And Seattle Railroad Historical Society I belive had some information on the O & C, regretably there part of the Clark County Historical Society museum was closed, because of remodeling and does not have the funds to reopen, and all their records Etc. are in storage.

  The SP&S Historical Society does have a couple of books out, do not rememeber off hand if there was anything in them for the O&C.

  The Oregon Historical Society I know has some things on the O&C, you may also be able to get information on a particular individual that worked on the railroad from the Railroad Retirement Board which is located in Chicago.

  Glen Jones, Portland 38year, veteran of the BNSF RR and its forerunners. 

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  From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>
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  Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:24:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
  Subject: Re: [or-roots] MM Melvin and the O & C RR

  Les

  Interesting. Austin and Dill *the Southern Pacific in Oregon* have:

  In 1851 a railroad was proposed by Mr. H. M. Knighton to run from St. Helens
  on the Columbia River, across Cornelieus Pass, to Lafayette which was then a
  principal city in the Willamette Valley. Nothing developed of this proposal,
  although, in 1906, James Hill's Oregon Electric Railway would use a similar
  route. . . 

  Legislative session 1853-54:

  1. The Willamette Valley Railroad Company, which proposed a line from
  Portland to the head of the Willamette Valley.
  2. The Oregon and California Railroad Company, which proposed a line from
  Eugene City to "some point in the Willamette Valley below Oregon City"
  3. The Cincinnati Railroad Company, which planned to build from the town of
  Cincinnati in Polk County to the "Polk County Coal Mines."
  4. The Clackamas Railroad Company, proposing a line around the Willamette
  River Falls at Oregon City. 

  "On November 21, 1866, Gaston incorporated the Oregon Central Railroad
  Company with offices in Portland, Oregon. The Legislature in 1866 designated
  the Oregon Central Railroad as the company to construct theline in oregon,
  thereby giving Gaston's line the needed land grant. . . ." This was
  essentially by "reincorporating" the "California and Columbia River" group.
  Confused yet?

  Then, along comes S. G. Elliott, (California) who, acting on behalf of the
  interests that controlled the "Oregon and California Railroad" offered to
  "buyout" the Oregon Central Railroad. Gaston was opposed, and won, more or
  less. Some of the incorporators split and joined Elliott. Elliott then
  started his own company, calling it the Oregon Central Rail Road Company.
  (note the "rail" "road" instead of "railroad")

  So, they fought, and eventually, Gaston's westside (the original) company
  became the Southern Pacific Railroad lines in Oregon.  

  Ben Holladay a transportation "magnate" took over the eastside lines,
  eventually gaining control (1870s) and sold $10.5 mil in bonds to complete
  the "Oregon and California" Railroad. 

  So, you want to know whether Melvin stuck with Gaston, or swung over to
  Elliott and Holladay. Unfortunately, Melvin isn't mentioned, so you have
  some more work cut out for you.

  This is a fascinating story. Sometime hard to follow, but fun none-the-less.

  Whew!

  Pat 
  Tucson, AZ

  -----Original Message-----
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  [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Leslie
  Chapman
  Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:34 PM
  To: Oregon List
  Subject: [or-roots] MM Melvin and the O & C RR

  At last I have found hard evidence linking my great grandfather and the O &
  C Railroad;

  Oregon Historical Quarterly Vol VII

  ariticle on; The Genesis of the Oregon Railway System by Joseph Gaston which
  starts on page 105. On page 111-112; The Oregon Lesgislature met in
  September, 1866, six weeks after Congress granted the lands in aid of the
  road. It was decided to abandon the orininal organization which had so far
  promoted the enterprise, and accordingly the writer of this paper prepared
  articles for the incorporation of "The Oregon Central Railroad Comapny,"
  [why have I always thought it was 'Oregon and Califonria"?]the office and
  headquarters of which should be at Portland, Oregon. These articles were
  signed by J.S. Smith [etc, etc] M. M. Melvin, [etc etc].

  Gaston goes on to apparently defend the actions of the company and claim
  credit for himself as well as give his authority to write the history as he
  being at the time [1902] the only surviving founder. The article is followed
  by another one on the subject of the Oregon Central by S. A. Clarke which
  begs to differ with Gaston on some pertinent facts.

  I haven't read it in it's entirety, but it looks to be very interesting. The
  two article together run to page 144 and I  notice in one othe evidentiary
  documents grampa's name is spelled Melvine??

  Les C

  PS there are several Oregon Quarterly editions available on google books to
  download.

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