[or-roots] Census oddities

Mon Jan 20 14:44:11 PST 2014

Dale

Only one I know. The biggest semi-ghost town south of Flagstaff is Jerome - named after the Jerome family, whose daughter, Jennie was the mother of Winston Churchill. 

There are, of course, many former mining towns, most of which could be called ghost towns, generally consisting of only a cemetery. 

Interestingly, my mother's step-father worked there around 1900 or so, and one grand-uncle and one great-grand uncle on my father's side went from Oregon to Arizona to mine as early as 1865. Sure at least my grand uncle was probably messing around on the mountain when it was a tent camp. We didn't move from Oregon to Flagstaff until much later....1949.

My fondest memory of Jerome was when they would have "hill climbs" - a race uphill through the streets, cordoned off with rope and straw bales.

Of course (statute of limitations has probably run out), we "local kids" would sneak down from Flagstaff on a Saturday and run the hill ourselves, sans hay bales on the corners.... oops.

Between that sort of thing and the mercury we played with, it's a wonder we survived. But, good pioneer stock will out, I guess!

Pat

From: or-roots [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Dale Harguess
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:12 PM
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You must be talking about a different Salome than I am.  The one I went to is a semi-ghost town high up in the mountains south of Flagstaff.  It was a roaring mining town with all the normal things they had back then.  Saloons, houses of ill repute, opera house, etc.

My mother lives in Quartzsite so I have seen the Hi Jolly monument many times (what is left of it that is).

Dale

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Kith-n-Kin <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net <mailto:Kith-n-Kin at cox.net> > wrote:

Ah, Salome -- "where she danced"....

In 1856, a herd of camels was driven to Camp Verde (in the Verde Valley, north east of Salome, more or less) and the Army used the animals to pack around Arizona.  Unfortunately, the camels didn't get along with the horses and mules, so that was an experiment that was doomed to failure. During the Civil War, they mostly were sold off or they "escaped confinement" and roamed the desert and lower mountain ranges for decades. Good thing they weren't quite as fertile as the horses, or we'd be worrying about "wild camels" instead of "wild hornes."

Anyway, "Hi Jolly" (Hadji Ali) who had come to the US as the lead camel driver, lived out his life in Arizona and was buried near Quartsite, Arizona. 

Dick Wick Hall (humorist) 20 Mar 1877-28 April 1926, founded Salome, half way between Wickenburg and Quartsite, and named it as a joke.  He married Daysie Mae Sutton of Portland in 1911.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Wick_Hall

Until the completion of I-10 (sometime after 1970, as I recall) the way to southern California was through Wickenburg and Salome. Good place to stop for a Coke and a stretch!

Don't remember any weirdness -- at least no more weird than any other place around. We always looked for camels. Of course the last one was seen sometime around 1900....

Good memories.

Pat

In Tucson (where a camel lives across the river from me) 

From: or-roots [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us <mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> ] On Behalf Of Dale Harguess
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:31 PM
To: Leslie Chapman; or-roots mail list
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Census oddities

I have been to Salome, AZ.  It is a very spooky place.  Much spookier than Hardman OR.

Dale

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com <mailto:opera_70 at yahoo.com> > wrote:

Here's a strange one for you;

1840  >  NEW HAMPSHIRE  >  CHESHIRE  >  SWANZEY

The whole town is recorded in alphabetical order, kind of neat, but when I wanted to look for someone in the 1850 census it meant I had no neighbors to tell me I was in the vicinity. Not that it probably made any difference since I am pretty sure my guy had moved on. Darn these fiddle footed Americans. 

It seems more the exception than the rule to find someone in the same place for more than two consecutive Censuses.

I do have an Oregon question related to the above quadry;

Luella M. Marden  b 27 Sept 1911 Rapid City SD to John B. BLake b about 1910 Illinois [latter from finding them in coos Co in 1940 which "maybe" makes this an Oregon question.

She subsequently marries Floyd McCurdy b 13 Mar 1909 KS he dies March 1983 Saolome, AZ

My number one question is what happened to John Blake? I find no good match for death in Oregon or Divorce, but then I don't know where Floyd is in 1940 and these fiddle footed people could be have moved on to another state by the time she gets to hubby number two, but if someone could double check the OR death and marriage indexes for me I'd appreciate it, family search says none of these events are listed there, but I know that doesn't mean they really aren't

Les C

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